POLL Is Lamar Jackson smart to go into this season without a deal?

[armadillooutlaw]

Vick was a better passer when he got older though

People need to see Lamar outside of Roman's offense. He can play in pass heavy offenses (I will admit he could be more consistent when he has to be pass heavy). Nearly every receiver that's left the Ravens has said as much.

Hopefully once the RBs get healthy, they wont have to rely on him as much in the running game like last year.

Isn't it true that Greg Roman's passing concepts are predictable and lack creativity?

 

[blue_suns]

Isn't it true that Greg Roman's passing concepts are predictable and lack creativity?

YES. Kurt Warner did a vid on the passing routes during their playoff game against the Titans (2021 season). The routes the receivers were running were awful scheme wise.

That's why receivers haven't been staying there over the years.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Vick was a better passer when he got older though

People need to see Lamar outside of Roman's offense. He can play in pass heavy offenses (I will admit he could be more consistent when he has to be pass heavy). Nearly every receiver that's left the Ravens has said as much.

Hopefully once the RBs get healthy, they wont have to rely on him as much in the running game like last year.

YES. Kurt Warner did a vid on the passing routes during their playoff game against the Titans (2021 season). The routes the receivers were running were awful scheme wise.

That's why receivers haven't been staying there over the years.

I don't think you can blame that all on scheme. The second play in particular seems like the receiver should've taken it in and instead goes out.

The third play seems like an obvious design to have Lamar roll that way.

Maybe the detractors are wrong....but i don't think Lamar can consistently make those kind of throws Kurt is talking about.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Lamar Jackson, Ravens placing 'a big emphasis' on improving deep ball in 2021

As Lamar Jackson's star has risen, the critiques once attached to his game have gradually dissipated. One knock the former MVP has yet to shed, however, is his ability to consistently complete his deep ball throws.

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Ranking last season's starting QBs by deep passing performance: Arizona Cardinals' Kyler Murray lands at No. 1 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Ranking the 2021 NFL starting quarterbacks by deep-passing performance. Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray takes the top spot, while Carolina Panthers' Sam Darnold lands at No. 32.

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[Stakesarehigh]

Some stats to chew on with no commentary from myself

 

[DJ]

Vick was a better passer when he got older though

People need to see Lamar outside of Roman's offense. He can play in pass heavy offenses (I will admit he could be more consistent when he has to be pass heavy). Nearly every receiver that's left the Ravens has said as much.

Hopefully once the RBs get healthy, they wont have to rely on him as much in the running game like last year.

He really was.....Vick developed as a passer as did Cunningham.

Remember Cunningham when he went to the Vikes? 61% (at the time that was pretty good), career-high 34 TD's to just 8 picks, NFL best 106 PR. Ran the ball just 32 times that season showing he had evolved. At age 35.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

He really was.....Vick developed as a passer as did Cunningham.

Remember Cunningham when he went to the Vikes? 61% (at the time that was pretty good), career-high 34 TD's to just 8 picks, NFL best 106 PR. Ran the ball just 32 times that season showing he had evolved. At age 35.

Yep. Randall developed big time. He in 98 with Moss and Carter was awesome.

Point being Lamar will have those kind of legs probably through this next 5 year deal and then the decline will be steep. Time is undefeated.

 

[DJ]

Isn't it true that Greg Roman's passing concepts are predictable and lack creativity?

Yeah, he isn't a very good OC.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yeah, he isn't a very good OC.

This is a big year for him for sure. He will certainly be gone if the offense sputters at all

 

[DJ]

It doesn't help that Jackson doesn't have a #1 at WR.

Hollywood was more of a #2 and their best receiver is a TE in Andrews.

 

[eaglesnut]

Isn't it true that Greg Roman's passing concepts are predictable and lack creativity?

Look at the QBs he's designed offenses for. Your question is a typical complaint when someone is trying to defend a QB that doesn't really have it between the ears.

 

[eaglesnut]

He really was.....Vick developed as a passer as did Cunningham.

Remember Cunningham when he went to the Vikes? 61% (at the time that was pretty good), career-high 34 TD's to just 8 picks, NFL best 106 PR. Ran the ball just 32 times that season showing he had evolved. At age 35.

Cunningham got Brian Billick and Vick got Andy Reid. And those guys had already taken their abuse as runners and mostly exhausted their running ability.

 

[eaglesnut]

It doesn't help that Jackson doesn't have a #1 at WR.

Hollywood was more of a #2 and their best receiver is a TE in Andrews.

Nobody can stop Andrews so he seems like a #1 to me.

 

[DJ]

Cunningham got Brian Billick and Vick got Andy Reid. And those guys had already taken their abuse as runners and mostly exhausted their running ability.

They developed as passers.....point stands.

 

[PDay8810]

they ability to connect the dots isn't a given.

 

[eaglesnut]

They developed as passers.....point stands.

There's plenty of shitty passers out there that would have looked a lot better at the end of their careers in an Andy Reid or Brian Billick offense.

Lamar and guys like him would have to go somewhere the passing game is already established yet also has a need at the QB position to compare with extremely rare situations that produced Cunningham and Vick's late career success. Add Rich Gannon too. Gruden had built the gun and just needed a trigger.

Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see these long-tenured passing offensive guys in control of teams anymore?

McVay is probably closest. Would he want Lamar? McVay went out and found himself the best Pocket Passer he could to compete for a Super Bowl.

Sean Payton doesn't currently have a team but could establish a passing game quickest in the right situation I suppose.

Who else? Shanahan is a rushing offense.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Look at the QBs he's designed offenses for. Your question is a typical complaint when someone is trying to defend a QB that doesn't really have it between the ears.

I'm not defending him. I'm not even a Ravens fan, lol. Go back and read a handful of things I've had to say about Lamar in this thread.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Draft him in fantasy football.

 

[Debbie Does]

Draft him in fantasy football.

A good point. The Ravens will finish behind Cincy this season. They may be third to Cleveland next year. How long do the Steelers stay in last place?

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

A good point. The Ravens will finish behind Cincy this season. They may be third to Cleveland next year. How long do the Steelers stay in last place?

He’s playing for his next pay day as well.