POLL Is Lamar Jackson smart to go into this season without a deal?

[Stakesarehigh]

I think if you gave a top tier WR to Lamar like all the other great young QBs have in the league then you would see some special things.

Prior to he himself being injured last year... marquise brown was 10th in receiver rankings in pff.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Your right it was the playoff run, he got hot at the right time. Lamar game seems much more vulnerable to decline since it's really Lamar running that makes him and RBs don't last for long. I'd recommend he talk a decent market offer as long as the guarantee money is right.

100 percent

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Your right it was the playoff run, he got hot at the right time. Lamar game seems much more vulnerable to decline since it's really Lamar running that makes him and RBs don't last for long. I'd recommend he talk a decent market offer as long as the guarantee money is right.

He's going to be getting a contract in at least the $45M year range, more likely closer to $50M or above. Ravens have reportedly offered him a deal but he wants it fully guaranteed like Watson got from the Browns but for more money.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Lamar Jackson is overrated and always will be. Sure he won MVP - and then did nothing LOL, sure ran great... for a while... and then everyone saw it fail in the playoffs like it usually does and rescinded their comments real quick.

"OH BUT THE NFL AND PEOPLE ARE RACIST!" blah blah blah, of course THAT came along with it...

The Ravens moved up to draft him as a 5th year option to exercise the 32nd and DUMP HIM. SMART move by a SMART franchise. The Ravens probably spent the equivalent of retaining the QB who expires in 3-4 years on legal staff to retire the mother fucker from their team given he'll for sure take the racist stance, but that's better for the franchise.

Was it a dumb move by the Ravens? Not at all. Was it a smart move by the Ravens to let this type of player walk? ABSOLULTELY. Jackson is done in the NFL. I said it from day 1 and was called a racist on the boards who wont show their face today. NFL will go the same route if Balti doesn't resign him.. the high money rollers in the US are encouraging racism.... because they know the majority of $ earners are too fuckin stupid to pick up on it.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

He's going to be getting a contract in at least the $45M year range, more likely closer to $50M or above. Ravens have reportedly offered him a deal but he wants it fully guaranteed like Watson got from the Browns but for more money.

Well if that is what he wants he's delusional and will never get that short of not only having a monster season but has to win the SB to even have a prayer and I don't see that happening.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Well if that is what he wants he's delusional and will never get that short of not only having a monster season but has to win the SB to even have a prayer and I don't see that happening.

Oh he will absolutely get that if he hits the open market no doubt. Watson got a $230M fully guaranteed deal. Wilson just signed a $49M per year deal. Rodgers a $50M per year deal. Kyler Murray of all people a $46M per year deal. Lamar Jackson is only 25 years old former league MVP with a better career record for a young QB than any other young QB in the league other than Mahomes. He hasn't even hit his prime yet.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Oh he will absolutely get that if he hits the open market no doubt. Watson got a $230M fully guaranteed deal. Wilson just signed a $49M per year deal. Rodgers a $50M per year deal. Kyler Murray of all people a $46M per year deal. Lamar Jackson is only 25 years old former league MVP with a better career record for a young QB than any other young QB in the league other than Mahomes. He hasn't even hit his prime yet.

Again. You keep comparing him to other qbs. He will regress athletically like every other rb does and it then becomes about his ability to throw a football of which he's nothing special.

He can't keep taking 150 hits a year as a runner and stay healthy. It's not possible.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Lamar Jackson is overrated and always will be. Sure he won MVP - and then did nothing LOL, sure ran great... for a while... and then everyone saw it fail in the playoffs like it usually does and rescinded their comments real quick.

"OH BUT THE NFL AND PEOPLE ARE RACIST!" blah blah blah, of course THAT came along with it...

The Ravens moved up to draft him as a 5th year option to exercise the 32nd and DUMP HIM. SMART move by a SMART franchise. The Ravens probably spent the equivalent of retaining the QB who expires in 3-4 years on legal staff to retire the mother fucker from their team given he'll for sure take the racist stance, but that's better for the franchise.

Was it a dumb move by the Ravens? Not at all. Was it a smart move by the Ravens to let this type of player walk? ABSOLULTELY. Jackson is done in the NFL. I said it from day 1 and was called a racist on the boards who wont show their face today. NFL will go the same route if Balti doesn't resign him.. the high money rollers in the US are encouraging racism.... because they know the majority of $ earners are too fuckin stupid to pick up on it.

You said Jackson was done in the NFL from day 1? And you think he called? He went onto become the youngest player to win MVP in league history. He has a 37-12 record as QB. He has taken the Ravesn to the playoffs every season of his career except for last year where he missed the final 5 games.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Again. You keep comparing him to other qbs. He will regress athletically like every other rb does and it then becomes about his ability to throw a football of which he's nothing special.

He can't keep taking 150 hits a year as a runner and stay healthy. It's not possible.

You don't understand how the league works if you don't believe that Lamar Jackson will get an absolutely monster contract if he hits free agency. Ravens are already trying to make him one of the highest paid QBs in the league but he wants a fully guaranteed contract from them so that is why he doesn't have a deal yet.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Oh he will absolutely get that if he hits the open market no doubt. Watson got a $230M fully guaranteed deal. Wilson just signed a $49M per year deal. Rodgers a $50M per year deal. Kyler Murray of all people a $46M per year deal. Lamar Jackson is only 25 years old former league MVP with a better career record for a young QB than any other young QB in the league other than Mahomes. He hasn't even hit his prime yet.

He'll make lots of money but he's isn't going to sniff a 100% guaranteed contract. Hate to go down the rabbit hole again, but that guarantee for Watson was plum crazy.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Oh he will absolutely get that if he hits the open market no doubt. Watson got a $230M fully guaranteed deal. Wilson just signed a $49M per year deal. Rodgers a $50M per year deal. Kyler Murray of all people a $46M per year deal. Lamar Jackson is only 25 years old former league MVP with a better career record for a young QB than any other young QB in the league other than Mahomes. He hasn't even hit his prime yet.

I think what others are saying. Is he wont be getting a fully guaranteed Contract. any 5 year or more contract is insane to fully guarantee. The Browns did a stupid thing. Doesnt mean every other team will follow suit.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

He'll make lots of money but he's isn't going to sniff a 100% guaranteed contract. Hate to go down the rabbit hole again, but that guarantee for Watson was plum crazy.

He might ultimately get it from the Ravens but if they let him hit free agency then he will no question. Kirk Cousins has been getting those deals for awhile now. This is a QB desperate league and there would be more than a few team stripping over themselves give him whatever deal he wants if he makes it through this season healthy and has a good year.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

He might ultimately get it from the Ravens but if they let him hit free agency then he will no question. Kirk Cousins has been getting those deals for awhile now. This is a QB desperate league and there would be more than a few team stripping over themselves give him whatever deal he wants if he makes it through this season healthy and has a good year.

Kirk Cousin has been getting 3 year (or less) deals.
Just about every QB contract has guarantees through the 1st three years. Also all of his deals were under 100 mil. dollars. You are talking apples & oranges right now.
No way Lamar gets a long term deal fully guaranteed.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

He might ultimately get it from the Ravens but if they let him hit free agency then he will no question. Kirk Cousins has been getting those deals for awhile now. This is a QB desperate league and there would be more than a few team stripping over themselves give him whatever deal he wants if he makes it through this season healthy and has a good year.

We'll see how it goes. Lamar is the type of QB where teams know a guaranteed contract will bite them in the ass so I'd wager money he doesn't get as much guaranteed as say Murray or RW, it will be considerably less, he's to big of a risk.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

You said Jackson was done in the NFL from day 1? And you think he called? He went onto become the youngest player to win MVP in league history. He has a 37-12 record as QB. He has taken the Ravesn to the playoffs every season of his career except for last year where he missed the final 5 games.

Yes, I said Jackson was done from day 1... and the hype he was getting was pure political bullshit - to the point that Jackson would not bring a (and HAS NOT) sustained a style of play in the NFL yet that has been seen for run and gun QBs.

It was an easy prediction to make....

Youngest QB in the league blah blah blah... the Ravens recognized this. Hey, great job... Use up a guy that is going to be trash within 2-3 years (he's trash now, 100%) and then we can 5th year him and draft someone else...

C'mon man.... get with it.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yes, I said Jackson was done from day 1... and the hype he was getting was pure political bullshit - to the point that Jackson would not bring a (and HAS NOT) sustained a style of play in the NFL yet that has been seen for run and gun QBs.

It was an easy prediction to make....

Youngest QB in the league blah blah blah... the Ravens recognized this. Hey, great job... Use up a guy that is going to be trash within 2-3 years (he's trash now, 100%) and then we can 5th year him and draft someone else...

C'mon man.... get with it.

Yeah you flunked that prediction, he's done much more then you thought was possible and will likely stay relevant for a couple more seasons. Sorry Shark.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah you flunked that prediction, he's done much more then you thought was possible and will likely stay relevant for a couple more seasons. Sorry Shark.

No I actually called it 100%. He's been a guy who was a regular season flash/crowd filler, did ABSOLUTLEY nothing in the postseason, is a reason the team wont sign him long term....

Likely stay relevant for a couple more seasons... lmao.. sure.. with the 50% of games he plays in and < 100QB rating.

Sorry Harold.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

No I actually called it 100%. He's been a guy who was a regular season flash/crowd filler, did ABSOLUTLEY nothing in the postseason, is a reason the team wont sign him long term....

Likely stay relevant for a couple more seasons... lmao.. sure.. with the 50% of games he plays in and < 100QB rating.

Sorry Harold.

Ravens won't even be relevant regular season without him, much less the playoffs.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Ravens won't even be relevant regular season without him, much less the playoffs.

Now here is 100% I agree with you. Did the Raven's sign him to fill the stands? Yes. Did the Ravens sign him because he MIGHT be a quick SuperBowl? Yes. Did the Ravens sign him because of sponsors outside of the NFL and 'free' money? Yes. YES YES YES. Also, did the Ravens move up for a late 2nd round QB prospect into the early first for the 1st year CHEAPO option to exhaust a player that has a skillset which declines heavily after their 3rd or 4th year in the league? YES.

So yah. It was a smart pick. Was it a smart signing years laters? NO, which is exactly why the Raven's haven't signed him (and why I'll give them an immediate F grade if they do for anything less than $15M per).

The Ravens wont be relevant without him... which is exactly why they're going to let him go. The Ravens are a very well run FO. The first and foremost thing they'll do is unload Lamar for picks to some dumbass team (hopefully not us) as soon as they can.

AND, I don't think Seattle will bite. I think Seattle sending Wilson packing was the right thing for similar reasons.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Now here is 100% I agree with you. Did the Raven's sign him to fill the stands? Yes. Did the Ravens sign him because he MIGHT be a quick SuperBowl? Yes. Did the Ravens sign him because of sponsors outside of the NFL and 'free' money? Yes. YES YES YES. Also, did the Ravens move up for a late 2nd round QB prospect into the early first for the 1st year CHEAPO option to exhaust a player that has a skillset which declines heavily after their 3rd or 4th year in the league? YES.

The Ravens wont be relevant without him... which is exactly why they're going to let him go. The Ravens are a very well run FO. The first and foremost thing they'll do is unload Lamar for picks to some dumbass team (hopefully not us) as soon as they can.

AND, I don't think Seattle will bite. I think Seattle sending Wilson packing was the right thing for similar reasons.

Ravens looked sunk with Flacco turning to crap, Lamar literally saved them and tip of the cap to John Harbaugh for building around him. Yes he won't last, but been good for the Ravens while it lasts. It was a A+ move to draft and build around him, teams like the Jets wished they could do the same. Course it will end and you can take some bows with "I knew it all along" when that happens but you'll still be wrong.