Lamar Jackson???

[Stymietee]

It's going to cost two #1 draft picks (this year and next) plus the cost of a guaranteed contract, probably in the 265 -267M range. Should our team be seriously active in pursuing Lamar Jackson?

 

[skinsdad62]

It's going to cost two #1 draft picks (this year and next) plus the cost of a guaranteed contract, probably in the 265 -267M range. Should our team be seriously active in pursuing Lamar Jackson?

Whom do we lose to get him ? See the issue is you blow draft picks and you burn cap .

how is this defense going to look like without sweat Payne young and Kurl ?

lamar has one playoff win he has played only 1 full season , has missed the ends of the last 2 yrs

the flip side is he is a former MVP , all pro and has a 45 - 16 record
can he win a superbowl next yr with us ? Because what this team will be in the future won’t be good

 

[Skin'EmAll]

yes, we should pursue and see what is possible. the compensation is pretty light, the 260 is concerning.
you're talking automatic top 5 rushing team, and should boost the defense since they won't be on the field forever.
you can run some of the same concepts from the Carolina days.

however as a fan, i'd prefer trying to build through the draft

 

[skinz2winz]

It's going to cost two #1 draft picks (this year and next) plus the cost of a guaranteed contract, probably in the 265 -267M range. Should our team be seriously active in pursuing Lamar Jackson?

Absolutely! Jeff Bezos, come on down!

 

[skinz2winz]

Posted in another thread...
Lamar is 26 yrs old
Lamar is a NFL MVP
Lamar is the Ravens best player
Lamar has gotten better every year
With exception of this year, Lamar is always available
Lamar is a great fit for EB offense
Lamar is worth more than 2 first
Lamar keeps you on par with a tough NFCE
Lamar elevates you to SB contender
Lamar attracks other FA
Lamar gives fan base new hope
Lamar splash with new owner
Lamar will make Allen, McClauren, Dotson, Robinson, Jr's time here worth it
Lamar represents himself, that's all you need to know
Make an offer at least!

 

[Skin'EmAll]

the guy may even be willing to budge on a fully guaranteed

 

[Stymietee]

Whom do we lose to get him ? See the issue is you blow draft picks and you burn cap .

how is this defense going to look like without sweat Payne young and Kurl ?

lamar has one playoff win he has played only 1 full season , has missed the ends of the last 2 yrs

the flip side is he is a former MVP , all pro and has a 45 - 16 record
can he win a superbowl next yr with us ? Because what this team will be in the future won’t be good

This is a rob Peter to pay Paul league, and everyone knows it! It is also a QB-dependent, offensive-leaning league. Perhaps it's time to get away from stockpiling the defensive side of the ball in favor of the side that going to win you Super Bowls. (Another reason why I was not in favor of the Rivera hire) That said, perhaps it is time to get creative when doing these escalating contracts. Here's an excerpt from an article that I read about Patrick Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes contract details​

At the time of signing his deal in September 2020, Mahomes' total contract value sat up to $502.631 million over 12 years — if he hits all of his incentives.
The base value of his contract, including the next two seasons before his extension kicks in, is $477.631 million for an average of $39.8 million per year. Starting in 2022, Mahomes will make an average of $45 million per year.
The total cash each year is made up of Mahomes' base salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus, not including signing bonus pay and incentives (all values per Spotrac):

Year	Total cash	Base salary	Roster bonus	Workout bonus
2020	$10.825 million	$825,000	N/A	N/A
2021	$22.807 million	$990,000	$21.717 million	$100,000
2022	$29.45 million	$1.5 million	$27.4 million	$550,000
2023	$40.45 million	$5.5 million	$34.4 million	$550,000
2024	$37.95 million	$2.5 million	$34.9 million	$550,000
2025	$41.95 million	$2.5 million	$38.9 million	$550,000
2026	$41.95 million	$2.5 million	$38.9 million	$550,000
2027	$59.95 million	$10 million	$49.4 million	$550,000
2028	$44.45 million	$13 million	$30.9 million	$550,000
2029	$44.95 million	$20.5 million	$23.9 million	$550,000
2030	$50.45 million	$27 million	$22.9 million	$550,000
2031	$52.45 million	$38 million	$13.9 million	$550,000

Mahomes' cap hit will peak in 2027, when the QB's deal counts for $59.95 million against the Chiefs' salary cap. Below is the breakdown of Mahomes' cap hit in each year of the contract. The figures include Mahomes' $10 million signing bonus spread over the next five seasons.

Year	Mahomes cap hit
2020	$5.347 million
2021	$24.807 million
2022	$31.45 million
2023	$42.45 million
2024	$39.95 million
2025	$41.95 million
2026	$41.95 million
2027	$59.95 million
2028	$44.45 million
2029	$44.95 million
2030	$50.45 million
2031	$52.45 million

Mahomes' incentives are simple. Each year starting in 2022, he can earn $1.25 million if the Chiefs reach the Super Bowl and an additional $1.25 million if he is named NFL MVP for a maximum of $2.5 million per year in incentives.
Which means in order for Mahomes to the full $502.631 million his 10-year contract extension offers, he needs to lead Kansas City to the Super Bowl as the league MVP in every season for a full decade.

Patrick Mahomes guaranteed money​

Mahomes' contract features $141.428 million in guarantees over 12 years, including a $63.082 million signing bonus.
That $63.082 million includes Mahomes' signing bonus, his base salary for the next three years, and his 2021 and 2022 roster bonuses. Which means Mahomes' contract essentially will be a year-to-year deal starting in 2023.
After the 2025 season, Mahomes can be cut with no dead cap penalty.
Tadd Haislop contributed to this piece.

 

[gkekoa]

The answer is no. Lamar will never win a SB.

in a passing league, He has one season over 3k yards at 3127. Yes, he adds yards with his legs but as he ages this ability worsens and injuries pile up.

LJ had one statistical anomaly of a season but he has really been about a 20/10 QB for TD\int.

Then there was this whole fiasco dealing with his contract and the perception of him quitting on his team.


The answer is no you don’t go after him, at least not for what has been reported. Then again, common sense is gone when Geno Smith and Daniel Jones are getting 30m/season. The NFL needs to get a clue. Stop overpaying QBs that cannot win. The fan bases know the truth. Do you think anybody in Seattle or NY is saying….yes we got our SB QB?

 

[skinz2winz]

I would rather have Howell then G. Smith or Danny dimes...

 

[skinsdad62]

This is a rob Peter to pay Paul league, and everyone knows it! It is also a QB-dependent, offensive-leaning league. Perhaps it's time to get away from stockpiling the defensive side of the ball in favor of the side that going to win you Super Bowls. (Another reason why I was not in favor of the Rivera hire) That said, perhaps it is time to get creative when doing these escalating contracts. Here's an excerpt from an article that I read about Patrick Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes contract details​

At the time of signing his deal in September 2020, Mahomes' total contract value sat up to $502.631 million over 12 years — if he hits all of his incentives.
The base value of his contract, including the next two seasons before his extension kicks in, is $477.631 million for an average of $39.8 million per year. Starting in 2022, Mahomes will make an average of $45 million per year.
The total cash each year is made up of Mahomes' base salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus, not including signing bonus pay and incentives (all values per Spotrac):

Year	Total cash	Base salary	Roster bonus	Workout bonus
2020	$10.825 million	$825,000	N/A	N/A
2021	$22.807 million	$990,000	$21.717 million	$100,000
2022	$29.45 million	$1.5 million	$27.4 million	$550,000
2023	$40.45 million	$5.5 million	$34.4 million	$550,000
2024	$37.95 million	$2.5 million	$34.9 million	$550,000
2025	$41.95 million	$2.5 million	$38.9 million	$550,000
2026	$41.95 million	$2.5 million	$38.9 million	$550,000
2027	$59.95 million	$10 million	$49.4 million	$550,000
2028	$44.45 million	$13 million	$30.9 million	$550,000
2029	$44.95 million	$20.5 million	$23.9 million	$550,000
2030	$50.45 million	$27 million	$22.9 million	$550,000
2031	$52.45 million	$38 million	$13.9 million	$550,000

Mahomes' cap hit will peak in 2027, when the QB's deal counts for $59.95 million against the Chiefs' salary cap. Below is the breakdown of Mahomes' cap hit in each year of the contract. The figures include Mahomes' $10 million signing bonus spread over the next five seasons.

Year	Mahomes cap hit
2020	$5.347 million
2021	$24.807 million
2022	$31.45 million
2023	$42.45 million
2024	$39.95 million
2025	$41.95 million
2026	$41.95 million
2027	$59.95 million
2028	$44.45 million
2029	$44.95 million
2030	$50.45 million
2031	$52.45 million

Mahomes' incentives are simple. Each year starting in 2022, he can earn $1.25 million if the Chiefs reach the Super Bowl and an additional $1.25 million if he is named NFL MVP for a maximum of $2.5 million per year in incentives.
Which means in order for Mahomes to the full $502.631 million his 10-year contract extension offers, he needs to lead Kansas City to the Super Bowl as the league MVP in every season for a full decade.

Patrick Mahomes guaranteed money​

Mahomes' contract features $141.428 million in guarantees over 12 years, including a $63.082 million signing bonus.
That $63.082 million includes Mahomes' signing bonus, his base salary for the next three years, and his 2021 and 2022 roster bonuses. Which means Mahomes' contract essentially will be a year-to-year deal starting in 2023.
After the 2025 season, Mahomes can be cut with no dead cap penalty.
Tadd Haislop contributed to this piece.

my question should have been more in depth , is lamar jackson the guy who can carry us to superbowls . ? now the way his contract is set up is key to signing him . lamar is asking for 230 mil plus guaranteed not the 141 mil that mahomes has

now i cant tell you that lamar isnt pulling a KC and making the price so outlandish because he doesnt want to be a raven much like KC being a christian couldnt take the the sex trafficking of our FO

so far i see some potential that lamar might carry a team to a superbowl but he hasnt done that yet so the question is do you put all your eggs in this basket ?

 

[PDay8810]

sure, why not?

Put a motivated Jackson with the skins and you likely become division favorites. This team is like Dallas, just win with playoff advancement should be the only thing that matters.

 

[PDay8810]

I would rather have Howell then G. Smith or Danny dimes...

really?
what did Howell show you against Dallas last game that has you saying this?

 

[duke1861]

really?
what did Howell show you against Dallas last game that has you saying this?

Because Howell is the next Dan Marino PDay....you know the drill here.

The team should be giving a long look at Fields IMO. As Skinsdad has stated, we probably cannot do much at this point even if we wanted to.

Howell might turn out to be a Pro Bowler, but I have not seen nearly enough to even be confident in him as a starter for the team. Time will tell. Hopefully...he is the chosen one...LOL

That being said, Geno or Jones are more experienced and better QBs than Howell at this time.

 

[Stymietee]

my question should have been more in depth , is lamar jackson the guy who can carry us to superbowls . ? now the way his contract is set up is key to signing him . lamar is asking for 230 mil plus guaranteed not the 141 mil that mahomes has

now i cant tell you that lamar isnt pulling a KC and making the price so outlandish because he doesnt want to be a raven much like KC being a christian couldnt take the the sex trafficking of our FO

so far i see some potential that lamar might carry a team to a superbowl but he hasnt done that yet so the question is do you put all your eggs in this basket ?

I find it absolutely astounding that on a board that represents itself as all-in on a particular team, there's so little support for that team to do what's necessary in order to do well.

 

[gkekoa]

really?
what did Howell show you against Dallas last game that has you saying this?

He won. He is inexpensive. He has potential just like every other rookie.

 

[Stymietee]

sure, why not?

Put a motivated Jackson with the skins and you likely become division favorites. This team is like Dallas, just win with playoff advancement should be the only thing that matters.

Yeah, having the best QB in the division and probably the conference is a bridge too far for a lot of folks. We're not used to it and dammit, that whole winning thing is simply overrated!

 

[gkekoa]

I find it absolutely astounding that on a board that represents itself as all-in on a particular team, there's so little support for that team to do what's necessary in order to do well.

It depends on what you mean do well. Do I think LJ could do better next year than SH? Yes.

Is it possible that LJ gets injured and sets this franchise back the foreseeable future? Yes.

Is it possible that LJ can lead us to a SB? Yes.

Do I believe it is likely? Very unlikely. I would say 1% and SH is .5% next season. Those odds change as the years go on in favor of SH.

 

[skinsdad62]

I find it absolutely astounding that on a board that represents itself as all-in on a particular team, there's so little support for that team to do what's necessary in order to do well.

sty i am asking questions , remember i am not the fan i was now then when i was a redskins fan . i am more of an interested party and it will be that way till snyder is gone and then i might commit my heart to this team . but i had it broken once already

so i have to sit there and look at all options . can lamar carry this team to a superbowl win ? can he overcome the loss of talent that will insue ?

i am interested in your answers

 

[gkekoa]

Because Howell is the next Dan Marino PDay....you know the drill here.

The team should be giving a long look at Fields IMO. As Skinsdad has stated, we probably cannot do much at this point even if we wanted to.

Howell might turn out to be a Pro Bowler, but I have not seen nearly enough to even be confident in him as a starter for the team. Time will tell. Hopefully...he is the chosen one...LOL

That being said, Geno or Jones are more experienced and better QBs than Howell at this time.

Are Geno and Jones better at 30+ million? I would say not. Geno and Jones have a 0% chance of ever leading their team to a SB. We have no clue about SH…I will take no clue over absolute zero.

 

[gkekoa]

Yeah, having the best QB in the division and probably the conference is a bridge too far for a lot of folks. We're not used to it and dammit, that whole winning thing is simply overrated!

LJ would be third best day one as both Hurts and Dak would be ahead of him.