Lamar Jackson???

[Wamu]

Voted no because my team has that scumbag DW.

But even if my team needed a QB I wouldn't want Jackson. He's exciting to watch. But I've never been a big fan of QB's that run a lot. One massive hit can change everything.

 

[skinsdad62]

i voted yes to go after him . but with reasonable limits

 

[duke1861]

Are Geno and Jones better at 30+ million? I would say not. Geno and Jones have a 0% chance of ever leading their team to a SB. We have no clue about SH…I will take no clue over absolute zero.

Those QBs have proven they are effective and can play though. Rivera is going into year 4 mind you with still NO FIRM STARTING QB. To me, that is unacceptable and is grounds for dismissal. Rivera even said that if a vet beats out Howell in camp "so be it". I would have hoped the team would have identified a starting QB within 4 years of Rivera being hired....but we have not.

I think Jones is paid too much for sure; however, Watson was the one who reset the QB market right?

That being said, I think we are witnessing the last days of Rivera...or at least I hope. We need an actual GM...not a coach who pretends to be one who surrounds himself with yes men.

 

[duke1861]

Yeah, having the best QB in the division and probably the conference is a bridge too far for a lot of folks. We're not used to it and dammit, that whole winning thing is simply overrated!

Watched that movie the other day. Amazing movie.

Bottom line, we have fans who have accepted the mediocrity here. Heck, we even have posters who want to back into the playoffs while praying for star players to be suspended or ruled out.

 

[duke1861]

I find it absolutely astounding that on a board that represents itself as all-in on a particular team, there's so little support for that team to do what's necessary in order to do well.

I still think your Fields idea was the best off-season idea I have heard so far.

 

[duke1861]

Are Geno and Jones better at 30+ million? I would say not. Geno and Jones have a 0% chance of ever leading their team to a SB. We have no clue about SH…I will take no clue over absolute zero.

BTW, you didn't do your usual offseason mock this year Gkekoa.

 

[Stymietee]

my question should have been more in depth , is lamar jackson the guy who can carry us to superbowls . ? now the way his contract is set up is key to signing him . lamar is asking for 230 mil plus guaranteed not the 141 mil that mahomes has

now i cant tell you that lamar isnt pulling a KC and making the price so outlandish because he doesnt want to be a raven much like KC being a christian couldnt take the the sex trafficking of our FO

so far i see some potential that lamar might carry a team to a superbowl but he hasnt done that yet so the question is do you put all your eggs in this basket ?

OK, point by point...

1. "my question should have been more in-depth, is Lamar Jackson the guy who can carry us to Super-bowls. ? now the way his contract is set up is key to signing him. lamar is asking for 230 mil plus guaranteed not the 141 mil that Mahomes has."

We are currently a team that doesn't make the playoffs, that is simply a fact. We are also a team that has little relevance as NFL teams go. Why did the goalposts move to Super-bowl, when at best a Howell-led team is asking the question can he be minimally competent? The Mahomes contract is an outline, the numbers will change for Jackson but it shows what's possible.

2. "now i can't tell you that Lamar isn't pulling a KC and making the price so outlandish because he doesn't want to be a raven much like KC being a Christian couldn't take the sex trafficking of our FO"

Daniel Jones just got 40M+, Geno Smith just got 35M and Lamar is asking for more than either of these guys is pulling a KC? How?? Hell, there's a logical argument that insists that just like KC, Lamar should, if only temporarily, become the highest-paid QB in the league by structure. SN: being a "Christian" is not an argument for or against anything! The world is full of "Christians" who've done both good and evil.

3. "so far I see some potential that Lamar might carry a team to a Superbowl but he hasn't done that yet so the question is do you put all your eggs in this basket?"

7-9, 7-9, and 8-8-1 and we're concerned about potentially reaching a Superbowl? Ask yourself this question... when was the last time that you've personally mentioned having a team much less a QB, who had the potential to do better than what we've become accustomed to here in D.C.?

 

[Stymietee]

I still think your Fields idea was the best off-season idea I have heard so far.

It was a complete plan that also included looking at Love in Green Bay and drafting a named guy if all else falls through. I'm still waiting on others to post their plans that don't include rolling the dice on Howell.

 

[gkekoa]

Those QBs have proven they are effective and can play though. Rivera is going into year 4 mind you with still NO FIRM STARTING QB. To me, that is unacceptable and is grounds for dismissal. Rivera even said that if a vet beats out Howell in camp "so be it". I would have hoped the team would have identified a starting QB within 4 years of Rivera being hired....but we have not.

I think Jones is paid too much for sure; however, Watson was the one who reset the QB market right?

That being said, I think we are witnessing the last days of Rivera...or at least I hope. We need an actual GM...not a coach who pretends to be one who surrounds himself with yes men.

Have Smith and Jones proven they are effective and can play. They both had career years after showing neither had been worth rookie contracts. They are now getting established starter pay but neither has any shot of ever winning a SB. How does this affect the rest of the roster going forward? It negatively impacts it.

Up until last season, neither Smith or Jones would have been a firm starting QB…and neither still are. RR sucks. Do you think I am defending him?

Watson is far different than Jones and Smith. It was also a huge mistake by Cleveland. The market for a QB is stupid and this season is proving it. We should never compare he markets of MVP caliber QBs and Smith/Jones.

 

[skinsdad62]

OK, point by point...

1. "my question should have been more in-depth, is Lamar Jackson the guy who can carry us to Super-bowls. ? now the way his contract is set up is key to signing him. lamar is asking for 230 mil plus guaranteed not the 141 mil that Mahomes has."

We are currently a team that doesn't make the playoffs, that is simply a fact. We are also a team that has little relevance as NFL teams go. Why did the goalposts move to Super-bowl, when at best a Howell-led team is asking the question can he be minimally competent? The Mahomes contract is an outline, the numbers will change for Jackson but it shows what's possible.

2. "now i can't tell you that Lamar isn't pulling a KC and making the price so outlandish because he doesn't want to be a raven much like KC being a Christian couldn't take the sex trafficking of our FO"

Daniel Jones just got 40M+, Geno Smith just got 35M and Lamar is asking for more than either of these guys is pulling a KC? How?? Hell, there's a logical argument that insists that just like KC, Lamar should, if only temporarily, become the highest-paid QB in the league by structure. SN: being a "Christian" is not an argument for or against anything! The world is full of "Christians" who've done both good and evil.

3. "so far I see some potential that Lamar might carry a team to a Superbowl but he hasn't done that yet so the question is do you put all your eggs in this basket?"

7-9, 7-9, and 8-8-1 and we're concerned about potentially reaching a Superbowl? Ask yourself this question... when was the last time that you've personally mentioned having a team much less a QB, who had the potential to do better than what we've become accustomed to here in D.C.?

on point 3 am i going to give a guy a fully guaranteed contract for 230 plus and hope he gets us a few playoff wins ? and give up the 2 number ones ? you have to think the guy can get us to a superbowl or why really do it ? and this point follows with aaron rodgers as well . am i paying him his contract just to get me a few playoff wins ? i am saying if you aint going for a superbowl win or 2 then why spend that money ?

on point 2 i think you miss my point , if he is a true christian the FO sex ring crap wont fly with him. that is only speculation on my part .

 

[skinsdad62]

It was a complete plan that also included looking at Love in Green Bay and drafting a named guy if all else falls through. I'm still waiting on others to post their plans that don't include rolling the dice on Howell.

what do we give up for love ?

 

[Stymietee]

It depends on what you mean do well. Do I think LJ could do better next year than SH? Yes.

Is it possible that LJ gets injured and sets this franchise back the foreseeable future? Yes.

Is it possible that LJ can lead us to a SB? Yes.

Do I believe it is likely? Very unlikely. I would say 1% and SH is .5% next season. Those odds change as the years go on in favor of SH.

"It depends on what you mean do well. Do I think LJ could do better next year than SH? Yes."

Why do you believe that LJ could do better than SH? Your question literally answers itself. LJ is a league MVP who got that MVP because he PASSED for more TDs than anyone in the league that season. No shade towards Howell but right now he's a Chrysler(5th round) with that new car smell (untested and unproven) We have yet to find out if he can be a reliable pitchman or a lemon.

Is it possible that LJ gets injured and sets this franchise back the foreseeable future? Yes.

I love the fear element that's being exhibited when it comes to running QBs and now is as good a time to debunk that notion as any. In the NFL you have 300-pound guys running anywhere between 12-15 MPH at a stationary target traditionally. The risk of injury is as great with these targets as it is with one who runs...why... because injuries happen. The game is a violent one and no one escapes without injury, pain, or some form of debilitation. We all want longevity at the QB position but like ordinary life, the league presents us with numerous examples of survivor-of-the-fittest scenarios. Getting a setback because of injury isn't a death knell, but an opportunity to show your mettle, suck it up, and survive.

Is it possible that LJ can lead us to a SB? Yes.

Self-explanatory and the counter-argument to your previous points.

Do I believe it is likely? Very unlikely. I would say 1% and SH is .5% next season. Those odds change as the years go on in favor of SH.

Nonsense... see your point above!

 

[Stymietee]

sty i am asking questions , remember i am not the fan i was now then when i was a redskins fan . i am more of an interested party and it will be that way till snyder is gone and then i might commit my heart to this team . but i had it broken once already

so i have to sit there and look at all options . can lamar carry this team to a superbowl win ? can he overcome the loss of talent that will insue ?

i am interested in your answers

First, my heart has never been with this team, it's a bad investment to put that much of myself into something that I have little to no control over. The team is much better without the former name, and since we've been through this before there's no use in opening that debate again, beyond respecting our differences.

Since the question has been elevated to " can Lamar carry this team to a Superbowl win?" from its former "Can this team back into a playoff spot?" I would say that the question answers all concerns. The Mahomes contract shows that it is possible to hold on to talent and win SBs.

 

[Stymietee]

what do we give up for love ?

2nd rounder perhaps a bit more.

 

[kbso83432]

We are in the middle of a Mahomes/Burrow window and God forbid the 49ers find themselves a QB.

Might take a Jackson or Jackson type to compete.

Maybe Howell is that dude. Maybe the confetti is falling on his shoulders after beating Mahomes on Superbowl Sunday. Lol.

It's worth looking into for sure. Maybe Keim in a week or two reverses field if say Lamar lowers his asking price.

 

[duke1861]

Have Smith and Jones proven they are effective and can play. They both had career years after showing neither had been worth rookie contracts. They are now getting established starter pay but neither has any shot of ever winning a SB. How does this affect the rest of the roster going forward? It negatively impacts it.

Up until last season, neither Smith or Jones would have been a firm starting QB…and neither still are. RR sucks. Do you think I am defending him?

Watson is far different than Jones and Smith. It was also a huge mistake by Cleveland. The market for a QB is stupid and this season is proving it. We should never compare he markets of MVP caliber QBs and Smith/Jones.

I agree with most of what you are saying.

They are getting starter money, and I agree that they more than likely do NOT have a shot at winning a SB. Jones is under a coach who puts him in the best spot to succeed and Smith must have found the fountain of youth or finally figured it out.

That being said, what do you expect them to do?
Smith threw 30 TDs in 2022 and led them to the playoffs. Should Seattle let him walk because he had a career year and wants market value? What should they do? Look to a substandard draft class to find the answer? Letting a playoff QB who threw 30 TDs and 4,000 yards walk because he probably won't win a SB is irresponsible. Seattle made the right call here.

Jones had a decent year in Daboll's first year. Jones led them to a playoff win. He now has more playoff wins than WSH does in 17 years. It was his first year in the Daboll offense. Again, what should Giants do? Look to the 2023 draft to find a better option? Daboll clearly believes in him and they paid him. I think he is being overpaid personally. That being said, Daboll likes him and feels he can build around him.

We need to keep in mind, QBs don't grow on trees. SEA and NYG obviously know this and stuck with what they know instead of going on a never-ending quest to find a franchise QB. Especially when both of those QBs produced results. The amount of QBs who can win a SB is very small...maybe 5-8? Would you not agree?

No, I don't think you are defending Rivera, he is terrible and I have said that since he was hired. We are still trying to find our QB of the future and are no closer than when Rivera got here.

I agree, Watson was a mistake. The market is stupid for QBs but that is the reality of the situation right now in today's NFL. It is a QB-driven league and if you are a playoff QB, you will be paid. I don't understand it but that is reality right now.

 

[Stymietee]

on point 3 am i going to give a guy a fully guaranteed contract for 230 plus and hope he gets us a few playoff wins ? and give up the 2 number ones ? you have to think the guy can get us to a superbowl or why really do it ? and this point follows with aaron rodgers as well . am i paying him his contract just to get me a few playoff wins ? i am saying if you aint going for a superbowl win or 2 then why spend that money ?

on point 2 i think you miss my point , if he is a true christian the FO sex ring crap wont fly with him. that is only speculation on my part .

Where's the historical logic here? There were those of you wanting to give up a lot more for a lot less in 2018 relative to today's money.
Value of $1 from 2018 to 2023 $1 in 2018 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $1.19 today, an increase of $0.19 over 5 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.55% per year between 2018 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 19.08%.
Kirk Cousins's 30M in 2018 is equivalent to 35M 724,000 (30 million * (19.08%) = 5,724,000) and it turns out that for that kind of money, you would have gotten 1 wildcard playoff win.

Show me any historical or current NFL player who guarantees an SB appearance or wins because of the contract that he signs.

"True Christian" is undefined and for all that we know his Christian ass could be doing a lot worse!

 

[Stymietee]

Voted no because my team has that scumbag DW.

But even if my team needed a QB I wouldn't want Jackson. He's exciting to watch. But I've never been a big fan of QB's that run a lot. One massive hit can change everything.

Isn't that true of every QB and player in the league? (one massive hit)

 

[skinz2winz]

really?
what did Howell show you against Dallas last game that has you saying this?

Let me rephrase, I would rather have Howell on his rookie deal than Geno or Danny on their current deals.

Howell showed me anyone can beat Dallas, literally anyone!

 

[skinz2winz]

Let me rephrase, I would rather have Howell on his rookie deal than Geno or Danny on their current deals.

Howell showed me anyone can beat Dallas, literally anyone!

It's not a mind-blowing statement pday.