Ideal scenario for Lemonier

[Crimsoncrew]

btw - i meant Patton or Crabtree or Boldin.

yeah, Boldin is on a one year deal, but he MIGHT be resigned? he might be re-signed if Crabtree asks for the world. as already noted by others, we won't be surprised if he does? similar to Goldson, yeah we want him, but not THAT much.

doubt we tag him cause others would come first.

Well, Boldin's a FA after this season, and Crabtree isn't a FA until after the 2014 season. We may have some indication of what Crabtree wants by then, but I don't know that serious negotiating will have occurred by the time we need to make up our minds on Boldin.

 

[deep9er]

If anything if Lemonier shows the right stuff, he'll be great in the sub packages and/or giving brooks or Aldon a breather during games...

that was something we were lacking IMO last season in terms of giving rest to our starters in game.

yeah, would be good if we get some of that this season. not expecting a LOT of reps, but say the most obvious passing downs?

 

[deep9er]

Well, Boldin's a FA after this season, and Crabtree isn't a FA until after the 2014 season. We may have some indication of what Crabtree wants by then, but I don't know that serious negotiating will have occurred by the time we need to make up our minds on Boldin.

after 2014? ok, rescind my comment on Crabtree.

 

[NinerSickness]

Honestly Haralson may not make the 53 man roster. I could see him being one of the vets cut to keep one of the new guys.

That doesn't make sense to me since the Niners renegotiated his contract. I would imagine that he got some guaranteed money for doing that; otherwise, what would be the advantage of renegotiating?

 

[Jikkle]

That doesn't make sense to me since the Niners renegotiated his contract. I would imagine that he got some guaranteed money for doing that; otherwise, what would be the advantage of renegotiating?

Depends on how many OLB we want to keep on the roster.

I can't see Lemonier and Cam Johnson not being on the roster as both would likely be quickly be plucked up off the PS and both will have ST value.

Fleming will likely be on the PS if they want to keep him at all

So if we go 5 OLB Haralson will be in and if we go 4 he'll likely be out.

 

[deep9er]

That doesn't make sense to me since the Niners renegotiated his contract. I would imagine that he got some guaranteed money for doing that; otherwise, what would be the advantage of renegotiating?

didn't they REDUCE his contract amount? or was the total contract reduced, but signing bonus increased?

 

[NinerSickness]

I don't know. But I can't imagine someone taking a pay cut without getting some guaranteed money because the team could just cut the guy later in the offseason when it'd be harder to find a jorb elsewhere.

 

[deep9er]

I don't know. But I can't imagine someone taking a pay cut without getting some guaranteed money because the team could just cut the guy later in the offseason when it'd be harder to find a jorb elsewhere.

neither can i, but just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

pretty sure they reduced his contract and if so, it does make sense he'd be on the bubble now.

 

[BINGO]

You guys have extremely high standards for a freaking 4th round pick. AJ Jenkins didn't have as much hype this time last year and he was a first round pick. SMH!!

 

[mem49er]

You guys have extremely high standards for a freaking 4th round pick. AJ Jenkins didn't have as much hype this time last year and he was a first round pick. SMH!!

Lemon? Wasn't he a 3rd rounder?

 

[NinerSickness]

Lemon? Wasn't he a 3rd rounder?

I think he meant The General.

 

[imac_21]

That doesn't make sense to me since the Niners renegotiated his contract. I would imagine that he got some guaranteed money for doing that; otherwise, what would be the advantage of renegotiating?

I believe he did the rarity of taking a straight up pay cut. Th advantage of that is he may be making more than he could get on the open market coming off the injury.

 

[imac_21]

Depends on how many OLB we want to keep on the roster.

I can't see Lemonier and Cam Johnson not being on the roster as both would likely be quickly be plucked up off the PS and both will have ST value.

Fleming will likely be on the PS if they want to keep him at all

So if we go 5 OLB Haralson will be in and if we go 4 he'll likely be out.

I don't necessarily see a big market for Johnson. No one knows what he brings to the table, and to pluck him off a PS another team has to put him on the 53 man, and keep him there for at least three (I think it's 3) weeks.

I could see us keeping 5 OLB on the 53 man though. How many players on the roster maintain a post strictly for ST value? Guys like Tavares Gooden, CJ Spillman and Anthony Dixon are pretty much exclusively ST players. Those guys could be replaced with a player like Johnson or Lemonier as ST players without hurting the defense (or offense) as a whole.

 

[mem49er]

I think he meant The General.

Then I is confussed. Patton being expected to contribute after Boldin leaves is hype?

 

[imac_21]

You guys have extremely high standards for a freaking 4th round pick. AJ Jenkins didn't have as much hype this time last year and he was a first round pick. SMH!!

I think it's different types of expectations. Jenkins, as a first round pick on a team that so desperately needed help at WR, and had that been exposed in the NFCC game in 2012 was expected to come in and start and contribute right away. Most acknowledged that was very unlikely. I don't know that people expected him to start at split end and catch 65 balls (4 per game). Those would be reasonable expectations for a WR in the situation Jenkins was in last year.


Lemonier on the other hand, is coming to a team with two very established OLBs (first team All Pro on one side, second team All Pro on the other). The expectations being put on Lemonier are to come in as a situational/sub package guy and put some pressure on the QB. That's much less than coming in and starting at WR as a rookie.

I think the expectations on Eric Reid are more in line with what Jenkins saw last year.

edit: sorry Bingo, were you taking about Patton? I was quickly skimming the thread and thought you meant Lemonier based on thread title.

 

[imac_21]

I think it's almost a guarantee that Boldin is a one and done player with us. It isn't like he's an unknown. Everyone in the league knows what he brings to a team on the field, and we have pretty good insight to what he brings in the locker room given that he was playing for our HC's brother.

We are tight to the cap right now. An easy way to create a little breathing room would be to sign him to a 2 year extension (2 more years) and cut his 2013 cap number down from ~6M to ~2M. It's 3.5 to 4M in cap money that could easily be created, and we haven't done that. That leaves me with the assumption, he's gone in 2014.

 

[CalamityX11]

didn't Bolden threaten to retire had the Ravens cut his salary? I think he's one n done as well...

 

[CalamityX11]

Lemon? Wasn't he a 3rd rounder?

Patton

 

[luckyluke22]

Harlason also makes more money with a pay cut than he does on the street... Ergo, salary reduction looks pretty appealing even with no garuantee. Plus, look at Aso... You want the job on the Niner team, come and earn it. Personally I love it.

 

[ChrisPozz]

I don't necessarily see a big market for Johnson. No one knows what he brings to the table, and to pluck him off a PS another team has to put him on the 53 man, and keep him there for at least three (I think it's 3) weeks.

I could see us keeping 5 OLB on the 53 man though. How many players on the roster maintain a post strictly for ST value? Guys like Tavares Gooden, CJ Spillman and Anthony Dixon are pretty much exclusively ST players. Those guys could be replaced with a player like Johnson or Lemonier as ST players without hurting the defense (or offense) as a whole.

Gooden is currently a FA and the 49ers haven't had any known contact with him. He met with the Steelers on April 3rd and was going to meet the Cardinals the day after if he got out of town without a contract, which he did.