Bengals Practice Squad

[CrashDavisSports]

Green has some concentration issues. He drops too many balls and fumbles too often compared to the players he's being compared with. Those issues end drives and change momentum of games.

Considering the coverage he plays against, and the the lack of QB throwing him the ball, being ignored in a playoff game during the first half, losing 4 out of 4 playoff games, being part of the Bengals organization...can you really blame him for losing concentration at times?

When you have a player of AJ Green's caliber, should you really let him walk?

Did Dallas let Bryant walk?

Did Denver let Thomas walk?

Did Atlanta let Jones walk?

Did Detroit let Johnson walk?

The answer is obviously no on all those accounts. The reason being is, when you have a top 5 player at their position, you hold on to them almost regardless of the cost.

It is not easy to attain a top 5 player at their position. The Bengals were lucky enough to have 3 of them before injury. Green, Burfict, Atkins

Supposedly Atkins is back to his old form and signed a super duper team friendly contract a couple years ago by the looks of it after seeing Suh and Dareus's contracts.

Burfict was one of the best if not the best player in the league at WLB before his injury.

I guess Whitworth could be discussed, but since he has never made the probowl, I guess it is hard to really mention him in the same conversation as Green.

All I am saying is when you have a top 5 player at their position, you hold on to them. That is all.

 

[Kingspoint]

What Mike Brown screws up is his inability to trade for a player, his inability to move up in a draft, and his unwillingness and inability to sign a quality Free Agent that other teams covet as well.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

What Mike Brown screws up is his inability to trade for a player, his inability to move up in a draft, and his unwillingness and inability to sign a quality Free Agent that other teams covet as well.

Not signing FA lately has actually been a strength of this team. While lots of teams keep overpaying for guys who has never played a snap in their system, we have been paying for our guys who are succeeding in our system and let the FA market play out before we get involved.

Not overpaying for FA's is very smart. Not paying going rate for top players on your team is stupid.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Considering the coverage he plays against, and the the lack of QB throwing him the ball, being ignored in a playoff game during the first half, losing 4 out of 4 playoff games, being part of the Bengals organization...can you really blame him for losing concentration at times?

When you have a player of AJ Green's caliber, should you really let him walk?

Did Dallas let Bryant walk?

Did Denver let Thomas walk?

Did Atlanta let Jones walk?

Did Detroit let Johnson walk?

The answer is obviously no on all those accounts. The reason being is, when you have a top 5 player at their position, you hold on to them almost regardless of the cost.

It is not easy to attain a top 5 player at their position. The Bengals were lucky enough to have 3 of them before injury. Green, Burfict, Atkins

Supposedly Atkins is back to his old form and signed a super duper team friendly contract a couple years ago by the looks of it after seeing Suh and Dareus's contracts.

Burfict was one of the best if not the best player in the league at WLB before his injury.

I guess Whitworth could be discussed, but since he has never made the probowl, I guess it is hard to really mention him in the same conversation as Green.

All I am saying is when you have a top 5 player at their position, you hold on to them. That is all.

Whitworth is a top 5 player, pro-bowl or no, at his position. That's just a fact.

 

[Cincyfan78]

What Mike Brown screws up is his inability to trade for a player, his inability to move up in a draft, and his unwillingness and inability to sign a quality Free Agent that other teams covet as well.

Mike Brown has had little say in the drafting and signing of players, and hasn't had much say in the past few years.

 

[Kingspoint]

Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, whatever good QB John Elway is going to replace Peyton with, and Matthew Stafford.

When you have a QB this good, and you have the current rules of the NFL system where Receivers and Quarterbacks can't be touched, then you make sure that you throw the ball 60% of the time. If you're doing that, then you seek out Top-5 Receivers, and hold onto them if you have one.

But, if you have a Dalton and a McCarron, then you are wasting the talents of a Top-5 WR, so there's no need to retain them.

Atlanta has had major issues with player development. Their new HC will help, but they still haven't attacked the issues that they have. They have very little talent on that entire team. Without Julio Jones, Atlanta won 6 games. With Julio Jones, they might win 8. Without Green in 2017, the Bengals can still win their Division. They have talent spread out across the team. I'd rather continue to raise that talent level across the team than to use it as luxury for a position that we don't have the QB to take advantage of.

Thanks for the discussion, btw.

 

[Kingspoint]

It's pretty easy to have alligator arms and concentration issues when Dalton is throwing you the ball, yes.

 

[Kingspoint]

Ironically, the player that fans consider drop-prone, Gresham, only had one drop all of last season, leading not only all Tight Ends in the NFL, but all WR's, too.

 

[Kingspoint]

btw, if we had Mettenberger, then I want to resign Green. That, to me, is a no-brainer.

 

[Kingspoint]

Profootballtalk reports the Bengals are "currently not close" to an extension with contract-year WR A.J. Green.




Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

 

[Cincyfan78]

Green isn't being wasted. If you take the 2012 and 2013 seasons (omitting his rookie year and last year where he was injured), he was 250 yards away from having the 2nd most yards behind Megatron who had a whopping 1900 yards receiving that year. In 2013 he was less than that from being the #1 WR in yardage. He's not being wasted here. He's a talent, and can get yards no matter who is throwing him the ball, and that is clear.

Word is, from today, that the Bengals and AJ Green are working hard to close a deal by Friday.

 

[Kingspoint]

ESPN's Coley Harvey reports contract talks between the Bengals and A.J. Green have "picked up."

Though nothing is official, Harvey said the two sides are "getting closer" to an agreement and could have one in place before the Bengals leave for Oakland on Friday afternoon. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reported earlier today that Green was hoping for more money than Julio Jones, who recently inked a five-year, $71.25 million extension with $47 million guaranteed.


Source: Coley Harvey on Twitter

 

[Kingspoint]

Green isn't being wasted. If you take the 2012 and 2013 seasons (omitting his rookie year and last year where he was injured), he was 250 yards away from having the 2nd most yards behind Megatron who had a whopping 1900 yards receiving that year. In 2013 he was less than that from being the #1 WR in yardage. He's not being wasted here. He's a talent, and can get yards no matter who is throwing him the ball, and that is clear.

We're not talking about previous seasons, but future seasons.....from 2017 on. The money is already paid for this season. It can be afforded for next season under a franchise-tag. The question is whether or not it makes financial sense and sense with the way the team will be built and tie him up for $15M per season from 2017-2020.

 

[alf8478]

Green has some concentration issues. He drops too many balls and fumbles too often compared to the players he's being compared with. Those issues end drives and change momentum of games.

You have a lot of nerve bringing facts into this debate

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Whitworth is a top 5 player, pro-bowl or no, at his position. That's just a fact.

Perhaps he is, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. However, he is not recognized as one by the league. Is it right? Probably not, but it is what it is.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

You have a lot of nerve bringing facts into this debate

Facts huh?

AJ Green Targeted 576 times with 329 catches for a percent of 57% and 7 fumbles with Andy Dalton throwing him the ball and leading him into danger over the middle.

Dez Bryant targeted 611 times with 381 catches for a percent of 62% and 6 fumbles with Tony Romo throwing him the ball.

Damarius Thomas targeted 577 times with 351 catches for a percent of 61% and 6 fumbles with a couple questionable QB's throwing him the ball and Peyton Manning.

Everyone has dropped balls and that one AJ had in preseason for the INT was horrible. But most the time Dalton is throwing to Green and Green has to make a spectacular play on the ball to even drop it.

Green is not much different Bryant in my opinion as both make up for their drops with ridiculous catches that should never have been made. Difference is, Bryant has Romo and Green has Dalton.

Fact is, Green is not much different than his counterparts with inferior QB throwing him the ball. Many analysts have said that you give Green a QB like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Ryan, ect. and he would be the best WR in the NFL.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Ask the Ravens how easy it is to come by a quality WR to lead their WR core for 1 to 4 million a year.

I see what you are saying about raises, and I did take into reasonable account some of the raises. How much is Green making on his 5th year deal this year?

You are not taking into account the difference is what we would be paying. Everyone is treating this 15 million a year as if it is all new contract money having to be accounted for.

AJ Green this year is making $10,176,000 this year. The difference in this salary is only 5 million a year. Yes, I know 5 million is a big bump and a possible 2nd quality player, but when you consider the importance of AJ Green both to the offense, but also to merchandising and ticket sales, he is a rock star.

The sap is going up, players will be cut or enter FA next year. Some guys will have to be replaced by younger guys on the roster, ie: Brandon Thompson with DeShaun Williams, Maualuga with Dawson, Smith with Fisher, and possibly Whitworth with Ogbuehi, so forth and so on. They anticipate issues with some of these contracts so they drafted accordingly this year to offset those loses next year without having to reach too badly in the draft which may not present the same quality players at Tackle that was available this year.

There are lost of guys making coin that is close to being out of contract or out of contract. You keep the core stars together as long as possible during their prime years.

Plus, I disagree with you. I think Green is every bit as good as Bryant, Jones, Johnson, just has less of a QB throwing him the football and he is still a catch machine and yard machine. However, I am also a Bronco sub fan, and I will never agree that Green is less of a WR than Thomas. I would take Green every day and twice on Sunday over Thomas.

Ravens have also won a SB without that number one receiver. Know why? They aren't wasting a huge amount of money on a receiver. They actually just let theirs walk.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Considering the coverage he plays against, and the the lack of QB throwing him the ball, being ignored in a playoff game during the first half, losing 4 out of 4 playoff games, being part of the Bengals organization...can you really blame him for losing concentration at times?

When you have a player of AJ Green's caliber, should you really let him walk?

Did Dallas let Bryant walk?

Did Denver let Thomas walk?

Did Atlanta let Jones walk?

Did Detroit let Johnson walk?

The answer is obviously no on all those accounts. The reason being is, when you have a top 5 player at their position, you hold on to them almost regardless of the cost.

It is not easy to attain a top 5 player at their position. The Bengals were lucky enough to have 3 of them before injury. Green, Burfict, Atkins

Supposedly Atkins is back to his old form and signed a super duper team friendly contract a couple years ago by the looks of it after seeing Suh and Dareus's contracts.

Burfict was one of the best if not the best player in the league at WLB before his injury.

I guess Whitworth could be discussed, but since he has never made the probowl, I guess it is hard to really mention him in the same conversation as Green.

All I am saying is when you have a top 5 player at their position, you hold on to them. That is all.

How many super bowls have they won with those WRs?

 

[Kingspoint]

Facts huh?

AJ Green Targeted 576 times with 329 catches for a percent of 57% and 7 fumbles with Andy Dalton throwing him the ball and leading him into danger over the middle.

Dez Bryant targeted 611 times with 381 catches for a percent of 62% and 6 fumbles with Tony Romo throwing him the ball.

Damarius Thomas targeted 577 times with 351 catches for a percent of 61% and 6 fumbles with a couple questionable QB's throwing him the ball and Peyton Manning.

Everyone has dropped balls and that one AJ had in preseason for the INT was horrible. But most the time Dalton is throwing to Green and Green has to make a spectacular play on the ball to even drop it.

Green is not much different Bryant in my opinion as both make up for their drops with ridiculous catches that should never have been made. Difference is, Bryant has Romo and Green has Dalton.

Fact is, Green is not much different than his counterparts with inferior QB throwing him the ball. Many analysts have said that you give Green a QB like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Ryan, ect. and he would be the best WR in the NFL.

You're doing Green a disservice by quoting targets with Dalton instead of "catchable passes". Romo will deliver a higher percentage of catchable passes.

 

[Kingspoint]

I'll post Green's drop rate next week when I have access to it, but Green was among the worst in the NFL last season.

FWIW, the leaders in drop rates are often some of the best Receivers in the NFL, but not all of the best Receivers have high drop rates.