Bengals Practice Squad

[cincygrad]

If anyone actually bought into that nonsensical Hobspin drivel, nieve doesn't do them justice. Which case, the Brown family has beach front property for sale on scenic Lake Erie.

There's absolutely no reason that an AJ Green contract shouldn't already be signed and mailed. Julio signed his deal, Dez and Demaryius got theirs done. The market has been set.

That market is probably higher than the Bengals wanted to pay. They would have been better served to cut the first deal..... But they couldn't get it done.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

If anyone actually bought into that nonsensical Hobspin drivel, nieve doesn't do them justice. Which case, the Brown family has beach front property for sale on scenic Lake Erie.

There's absolutely no reason that an AJ Green contract shouldn't already be signed and mailed. Julio signed his deal, Dez and Demaryius got theirs done. The market has been set.

So 6 years / 96 Million with 60 million guaranteed. That is probably closer to what Green's agent wants after seeing the Bryant and Thomas deals. Green is a better WR than Thomas.

 

[cincygrad]

So 6 years / 96 Million with 60 million guaranteed. That is probably closer to what Green's agent wants after seeing the Bryant and Thomas deals. Green is a better WR than Thomas.

I'd say he's better than Thomas, but I don't think he's better than Bryant or Jones.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I remember reading something before that a sticking point could be the guarantees in the contract. The other WR's are getting high guaranteed money, where as the Bengals typically don't like to go high on guaranteed money. They could off-set this easily by simply giving AJ a signing bonus up front, which would allow them to spread the hit over the course of the contract, or front load the deal in the first 2-3 years with bigger paydays, and taper off towards the ends of the deal.

Either way, I'm sure both sides are working on it, and I'm sure it will get done. *Edit* It's not worth worrying about. He's a Bengal for now, and really that's all that matters. For all this shit about the cap, the Bengals have a pretty deep team that is talented this year. I'd worry about next year next year.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I'd say he's better than Thomas, but I don't think he's better than Bryant or Jones.

I think he is better than Jones, but on par with Bryant.

 

[Tubbs1518]

So 6 years / 96 Million with 60 million guaranteed. That is probably closer to what Green's agent wants after seeing the Bryant and Thomas deals. Green is a better WR than Thomas.

That is WAY to damn much.

 

[cincygrad]

I remember reading something before that a sticking point could be the guarantees in the contract. The other WR's are getting high guaranteed money, where as the Bengals typically don't like to go high on guaranteed money. They could off-set this easily by simply giving AJ a signing bonus up front, which would allow them to spread the hit over the course of the contract, or front load the deal in the first 2-3 years with bigger paydays, and taper off towards the ends of the deal.

Either way, I'm sure both sides are working on it, and I'm sure it will get done. *Edit* It's not worth worrying about. He's a Bengal for now, and really that's all that matters. For all this shit about the cap, the Bengals have a pretty deep team that is talented this year. I'd worry about next year next year.

That's my point..... We had a lot of leverage and some cap space to get some deals done this year. Leverage disappears when guys get a chance to hit the open market. We might keep AJ with the franchise tag, but we're going to lose a lot of the talent we have acquired if we fuck up the AJ deal - i.e. spend too much via franchise or take too long during negotiation.

 

[alf8478]

I would take Jones or Bryant over Green.

 

[DanBengalfan]

we should wait and see how he plays this season, no rush.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

That is WAY to damn much.

Wasn't Bryant and Thomas around 87.5 million for the same about of years with like 45 million guaranteed?

I can see Green's agent asking for the richest WR contract in the history of the game.

 

[Tubbs1518]

They were both 5 years 70 million. One got 45 mil guaranteed the other got 43.75 million guaranteed.

Green isn't worth the richest WR contract in NFL history. He isn't as good as Dez.

 

[Kingspoint]

Pittsburgh will have issues at Center for the first two months of the season. By then, maybe Bodine will have become "average" as a Center. But, most likely, he won't be "average" until next year after he spends another year (if he even did it this off-season) getting stronger in the weight room. He got pushed around like a rag-doll in pre-season...not a good sign of things to come early in the year.

But, as long as we don't get any injuries to the rest of our Offensive Line, it should be pretty good. It's already a Top-3 O-Line regarding pass-blocking. It's the run-blocking that they struggled at last season (though there aren't five good run-blocking O-Line's in all of the NFL, so there's no shame there). Because we don't have that elite QB, we're going to need our O-Line to be among the best at run-blocking.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

They were both 5 years 70 million. One got 45 mil guaranteed the other got 43.75 million guaranteed.

Green isn't worth the richest WR contract in NFL history. He isn't as good as Dez.

AH. Well, I guess 5 years / 75 million then with 50 million guaranteed.

I think Green is better than Bryant, but he doesn't appear to be because of his QB throwing him the football.

 

[Tubbs1518]

AH. Well, I guess 5 years / 75 million then with 50 million guaranteed.

I think Green is better than Bryant, but he doesn't appear to be because of his QB throwing him the football.

Unless the cap jumps huge, receivers aren't worth 15 mil a year. I'm not paying one that much. Period. They aren't important enough.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It is getting a good size jump I thought, and that is not much different than Bryant and Thomas. You may not want to spend that much on a WR, but I doubt the Bengals want to lose a fan favorite and a guy that is top 5 at his position, if not top 3 for skills versus age. Plus, they finally have a legit #1 WR who is not a primadonna.

 

[Tubbs1518]

It is getting a good size jump I thought, and that is not much different than Bryant and Thomas. You may not want to spend that much on a WR, but I doubt the Bengals want to lose a fan favorite and a guy that is top 5 at his position, if not top 3 for skills versus age. Plus, they finally have a legit #1 WR who is not a primadonna.

Top 5 WR isn't needed. Save that money, sign a LB, a real run stuffer, make this D elite and then sign a C. That would be much more useful than a WR who gets hurt and misses time every year and doesn't how up in big games. No thanks,

 

[Kingspoint]

Top 5 WR isn't needed. Save that money, sign a LB, a real run stuffer, make this D elite and then sign a C. That would be much more useful than a WR who gets hurt and misses time every year and doesn't how up in big games. No thanks,

Couldn't agree more to all of that. It still comes down to appropriately allocating your resources, which are limited with a salary cap. You have to decide how much to spend at each position based on the style that your team is designed to be. When you don't have a Quarterback who can take advantage of a $15M Receiver (Ryan, Romo, and Elway will find someone to replace Peyton), then you don't spend $15M on a WR. I really wanted us to use whatever pick was necessary to take Georgia's Chris Conley, with the intent of tagging Green for 2016, which would give Conley two years as a backup to Green before taking over for him at $14M less per season.

Out of necessity, Kansas City has to use the 3rd Round pick as a Starter Week 1. Alex Smith will never, ever take advantage of Conley's straight-line speed. Conley is raw as a route-runner, but he'll be returning Punt Returns and running as the #2 Wide Receiver until Albert Wilson gets healthy, so you can view some of his skills, limited they may be in the Alex Smith-led passing attack.

By using a Conley instead of a Green, the Bengals would accomplish the job of making the Free Safety pay attention to that side of the field, while also occupying one CB. That is all that is needed from that position, as we are a Running team first, and with Eifert running down the middle, both Safeties can be occupied with a Conley, leaving seven in the box for Hill to run against.

Would love to have that extra $13M to spend elsewhere (such as resigning both Whitworth and Andre Smith for two more years while Fisher and Ogbuehi spend the expected two years just to get up to par as O-Linemen).

 

[alf8478]

Tubbs is right. Someone name me the last time a team with a top 5/top10 WR has won a superbowl

 

[cincygrad]

I agree.... Aside from the qb position, it seems the best teams are built as units. It also seems like the best teams get rid of a lot of veterans that start eating too much money (as long as they aren't quarterbacks).

 

[CrashDavisSports]

So who is our #1 WR come next year then? It may not be the best use of money, but it is a decent use of money as you know Green is not going to get himself in trouble and work harder than any other player on the field.

I don't know, Jordy Nelson is a pretty damn good WR for Rodgers and the Packers, although hurt this year.

Damarius Thomas and Peyton Manning seem to have done okay together.

Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne along with Marvin Harrison during his hay day were pretty good.

It is the QB that makes the biggest difference.

That trio of Aikman, Smith and Irving were pretty good.

It is good to have great players, and Green is a great player who helps anchor and take pressure off the entire WR core. Without him, nothing else in the passing game works nearly as well.

You can easily keep Green and his 15 million a year if you cut some of the fat. Cut Peko at the end of the year, let Andre Smith walk as we drafted two tackles this year, let Leon Hall and his 9 to 10 million a year go, the salary cap increases, etc. There are ways to work around that, and there is always the, pay more to Green the first couple years of the contract and let the other couple years go down in cap value giving you more flexibility to resign guys like J. Hill, M. Jones, D. Kirkpatrick, D. Dennard, G. Iloka as they come up.

You could also argue, there is no point in keeping a 16 to 20 million dollar a year QB if he can't win the big game. As of this next year we could cut or trade Dalton with little to no salary cap hit. It would benefit a younger QB like McCarron, Metzenberger, Glennon to have a guy like Green to throw to and save even more money while allowing us to focus on the talent of the team and put the best guys in the positions needed to continue to make a run.

Maybe Green will not even ask for as much as Bryant and Thomas, but I can't imagine his agent is thinking that as he has a golden pay check sitting in front of him. There is no use in not taking advantage of that, which would also be bad in the eyes of his other clients or potential future clients, as they see Green take less than what he could have received.