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2025 Rosterbation

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Sadly, I like this contract even more than the rumored ones to the Giants. This is either on Buster botching the negotiation, or ownership not wanting to spend. Either way it’s disappointing.

EDIt: seemingly, I obviously don’t know what actually went down.
More will be revealed, but I'd bet that the Giants balked at the opt out. Giving any pitcher 4 years of insurance on a 2 year contract is bad business.

Moving on from Burnes was a smart play.
 
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As for remaining free agent pitchers, I may be okay with Jack Flaherty but he has more red flags to me than Burnes or Fried. If the cost is too high, I hope the Giants pass. I'd be okay with a 1 year deal with either Scherzer or Verlander. Past them, I hope the Giants just go with internal options at the back end of the rotation, because that would be where they'd be building with the rest of the free agent market.
I think the decision on Flaherty will be on length of contract. He'll be 30 next season. He's a #2.5 or #3 starter. And he doesn't tend to stay healthy.

I'd be ok with getting him; I'd be ok if we don't
 

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Welp, no ace for us to replace Snell. Don't see this team improving more than a few wins at most. Oh well :noidea:
 

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Didn’t know he lives in AZ, so this signing makes sense. Plus the Giants were not going too deep for him:

The Giants’ pursuit of Corbin Burnes signaled that the club was willing to make another splurge, though Slusser notes that they didn’t offer Burnes more than the $210MM over six years than the righty received from the Diamondbacks. Indeed, Slusser frames the Giants’ courtship of Burnes as fairly limited, writing that “San Francisco’s pursuit never advanced much beyond initial talks at the general manager meetings…and an offer made at that point did not get things off the ground.”

 

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Welp, no ace for us to replace Snell. Don't see this team improving more than a few wins at most. Oh well :noidea:
I have to disagree. Signing Adames and having a full year of Lee should get us a few more wins. Plus we have to expect our young guys will approve more. That includes our young pitchers to get better, Snell was only good for half of the season, so I see us matching that. Optimistic ? Perhaps as I was the guy who protected us 91 wins for 2024. I expect a winning season, maybe not by much but more victories are incoming for the 2025 season.
 

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Didn’t know he lives in AZ, so this signing makes sense. Plus the Giants were not going too deep for him:

The Giants’ pursuit of Corbin Burnes signaled that the club was willing to make another splurge, though Slusser notes that they didn’t offer Burnes more than the $210MM over six years than the righty received from the Diamondbacks. Indeed, Slusser frames the Giants’ courtship of Burnes as fairly limited, writing that “San Francisco’s pursuit never advanced much beyond initial talks at the general manager meetings…and an offer made at that point did not get things off the ground.”

 

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The rumors about Alonso are interesting but also somewhat worrying... one beat writer mentioned the fact that getting Alonso allows us to trade Wade but also may block Eldridge. He thought that it may infact mean that we would package Eldridge in a trade (our return would be quite a bit he thought). Never considered that ...
 

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I have to disagree. Signing Adames and having a full year of Lee should get us a few more wins. Plus we have to expect our young guys will approve more. That includes our young pitchers to get better, Snell was only good for half of the season, so I see us matching that. Optimistic ? Perhaps as I was the guy who protected us 91 wins for 2024. I expect a winning season, maybe not by much but more victories are incoming for the 2025 season.
Sure if everything goes right they surprise to the upside and win 90. But not everything goes right. Usually some things do and some don't. The talent level we've got is 84-85 wins or so IMO, and that's with injury luck.
 

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The rumors about Alonso are interesting but also somewhat worrying... one beat writer mentioned the fact that getting Alonso allows us to trade Wade but also may block Eldridge. He thought that it may infact mean that we would package Eldridge in a trade (our return would be quite a bit he thought). Never considered that ...
It could work for 2025, with Wade and Alonso switching between DH and first, and the same for Eldridge when he replaces Wade in 2026. But I prefer not to with giving up more picks since we don’t have many to give as it is. Plus too much money and Alonso’s glove not being that good.
 

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The more I think about it, the more it seems that signing Alfonso to a long term deal would signal the abandonment of the farm system by the Giants. The Giants would be forfeiting two more picks from the 2025 draft, another $1 million in international bonus pool money and, possibly, the only blue chip prospect in the organization.
I'd ask if Posey remembers what his dynasty teams were centered around but I get the feeling that ownership is really behind the push to put a winner on the field now at the risk of the future.
 

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The more I think about it, the more it seems that signing Alfonso to a long term deal would signal the abandonment of the farm system by the Giants. The Giants would be forfeiting two more picks from the 2025 draft, another $1 million in international bonus pool money and, possibly, the only blue chip prospect in the organization.
I'd ask if Posey remembers what his dynasty teams were centered around but I get the feeling that ownership is really behind the push to put a winner on the field now at the risk of the future.
We don’t have the farm potential now that we had in ‘09/‘10. You can’t just wish something in to existence. If ownership wants to win, than right now FA and trades are the ONLY way to possibly make that happen. I don’t like the idea of trading Eldridge, but we value him MUCH more than the national writers do. Remember how high we were on ToJo…
 

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Opt out after 2 years. I think the Giants are done with opt outs.
Why would they care so much about an opt out? In this case, you get a motivated guy for 2 years and can plan accordingly. If he underperforms, you are stuck with the whole contract. If he meets/exceeds expectations he’s probably going to opt out. Why is that bad for the signing team v. a straight 6 year deal?
 

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We don’t have the farm potential now that we had in ‘09/‘10. You can’t just wish something in to existence. If ownership wants to win, than right now FA and trades are the ONLY way to possibly make that happen. I don’t like the idea of trading Eldridge, but we value him MUCH more than the national writers do. Remember how high we were on ToJo…
No, you actually work toward building something into what it should be. Yet the ownership does not show any inkling that they want to do so. Tanking isn't the only way to do it but there has to be more than just lip service to building the farm.
Yes, I do realize that prospects fail . . .alot. That is why a deep farm is needed. Because teams that tend to be contenders long term at least start with a strong farm, play the guys that hit (or pitch) and move on from the ones who don't. For the failures prospects have, there isn't much success from teams that lean hard into building through free agency either.
 

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No, you actually work toward building something into what it should be. Yet the ownership does not show any inkling that they want to do so. Tanking isn't the only way to do it but there has to be more than just lip service to building the farm.
Yes, I do realize that prospects fail . . .alot. That is why a deep farm is needed. Because teams that tend to be contenders long term at least start with a strong farm, play the guys that hit (or pitch) and move on from the ones who don't. For the failures prospects have, there isn't much success from teams that lean hard into building through free agency either.
Isn’t tanking illegal in baseball like insider trading is in Congress?
 

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Why would they care so much about an opt out? In this case, you get a motivated guy for 2 years and can plan accordingly. If he underperforms, you are stuck with the whole contract. If he meets/exceeds expectations he’s probably going to opt out. Why is that bad for the signing team v. a straight 6 year deal?
Because the team only loses. They never get an asset that is worth more than it cost, but often get assets that cost more than it’s worth.
 

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Because the team only loses. They never get an asset that is worth more than it cost, but often get assets that cost more than it’s worth.
In this example, you would certainly get surplus value if the player opts out after 2 years. If he doesn’t opt out, you probably overpaid him in the first place. Bottom line, it’s a weird line in the sand for a team to have. I like the idea of guys playing for something and not being complacent. But I guess that’s why Buster Posey is running the team and I’m not.
 
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