2024 Rosterbation

[sf1giantfan]

Say NO to Snell

 

[Stokes1931]

Report: Potential Giants target Stroman, Yankees agree to two-year deal

Potential Giants target Marcus Stroman reportedly agreed to a 2-year $37 million deal with the New York Yankees.

www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

 

[calsnowskier]

For JD, he has submitted 6.9M while the Giants have submitted 6.55M. His salary will one of those 2 amounts. The arbitrator cannot award any amount other than one of those two. Arbitration is binding.

 

[sf1giantfan]

For JD, he has submitted 6.9M while the Giants have submitted 6.55M. His salary will one of those 2 amounts. The arbitrator cannot award any amount other than one of those two. Arbitration is binding.

Does the team submit first or does it matter ?

 

[calsnowskier]

Does the team submit first or does it matter ?

I suspect they both submitted at essentially the same time. But I also suspect that each side knew what the other was submitting seeing as they have been negotiating for a while now.

 

[LHG]

I suspect they both submitted at essentially the same time. But I also suspect that each side knew what the other was submitting seeing as they have been negotiating for a while now.

Lookin at the list of 22 players headed to arbitration I do wonder why the gap wasn't covered beforehand. Casey Mize of the Tigers has the smallest gap between player ask and team offer - $25,000. That is like an employer telling an employee that they won't meet the $0.50 increase he is requesting in his $25 an hour he is currently making.

 

[filosofy29]

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1745867065670439348?s=20

 

[calsnowskier]

Jordan Hicks Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More | Baseball-Reference.com

Check out the latest Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More of Jordan Hicks. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, bats, throws, school and more on Baseball-reference.com

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[calsnowskier]

4/44 for a 27 yo bully arm who WANTS to start. I have no prob penciling him in at the #5 spot. Basically an upgrade from Junis.

Good pickup, Farhan…

 

[tzill]

For JD, he has submitted 6.9M while the Giants have submitted 6.55M. His salary will one of those 2 amounts. The arbitrator cannot award any amount other than one of those two. Arbitration is binding.

They can settle in the middle prior to the hearing.

 

[tzill]

4/44 for a 27 yo bully arm who WANTS to start. I have no prob penciling him in at the #5 spot. Basically an upgrade from Junis.

Good pickup, Farhan…

Dude hit 104. I guess they think they can tame the wildness. He suppresses HR, misses bats...basically another Doval. If they can turn him into a starter that's gravy. Worst case: another closer.

 

[LHG]

4/44 for a 27 yo bully arm who WANTS to start. I have no prob penciling him in at the #5 spot. Basically an upgrade from Junis.

Good pickup, Farhan…

Dude hit 104. I guess they think they can tame the wildness. He suppresses HR, misses bats...basically another Doval. If they can turn him into a starter that's gravy. Worst case: another closer.

I won't say that this is a bad signing. He is just 27 years old, he has a phenomenal fastball and has been good in spurts in relief. However, he has made all of 8 starts in the big leagues (all in 2022). He has hardly stayed healthy (only 2018, his rookie year, and 2023 are his two seasons he has pitched in more than 35 games) and has been inconsistent. I feel like moving him to the starting rotation is a disaster waiting to happen. Its a move a non contending team would make. Could he be better that Jakob Junis? Sure. But I don't see him as an automatic upgrade over Junis (in starting form, relief work, likely yes). Just seems like a big gamble move that feels typical of FZ, except the commitment is 4 years. I hope it works but I'm not expecting it to go well.

 

[Hangman]

I hope his glass elbow holds up

 

[calsnowskier]

They can settle in the middle prior to the hearing.

So yesterdays deadline was just for submitting numbers, and thus losing some negotiation strength?

I guess that makes sense. There are numerous examples of agreements getting reached while literally in the arbiters office.

 

[calsnowskier]

It’s a move a non contending team would make.

Who‘s going to tell him?

 

[LHG]

Who‘s going to tell him?

 

[SF11704]

IIMHO ... as fans ... trying to realistic is difficult.
FOR ME ... i dont see us challenging the Dogers for a dividional title for quite some time. I think they will be a 100 win team for quite a while. As a team we struggle to play 500 ball. Only did that once in 7 years. I think we need to win 90 games for a plaff spot. I would hope that is FZ's plan.

Not going to happen in 2024. But he needs to start putting together a young team that can play 500 ball now and get better with experience. Next year we can chase some higher profile players to push us closer to the 90 win area. He needs to create a team that has potential. Have some young talent. They need to be abl8e to play to really get a feel for what they can do and then take it from there.

For the past two years he has chased all of the highest level FAs in the market and came up empty. I just don't think players of that caliber want to play for a team that seems to be treading water.
He needs to make it a winning franchise before he can make it a great one ..

 

[stanford the manford]

4/44 for a 27 yo bully arm who WANTS to start. I have no prob penciling him in at the #5 spot. Basically an upgrade from Junis.

Good pickup, Farhan…

Apparently (per KNBR, and I'm quoting for several hrs ago as I was walking around - so probably not 100% accurate). Only 8 Starts out of 228 innings, 5.47ERA, 27 walks, 21 S.O. So if he's going to start you're looking at our new 1-2 inning designated starter, with the pitcher to follow likely to be in a deep hole

Clearly I do not understand this experiment. Maybe promise him some starts but structure the contract so the Giants have some sort of escape clause preferably after year 1.

Farhan rolling the dice again. He should stay away from the tables

 

[stanford the manford]

Who‘s going to tell him?

Pretty much any and all of the former 38,000 season ticket holdes

 

[stanford the manford]

IIMHO ... as fans ... trying to realistic is difficult.
FOR ME ... i dont see us challenging the Dogers for a dividional title for quite some time. I think they will be a 100 win team for quite a while. As a team we struggle to play 500 ball. Only did that once in 7 years. I think we need to win 90 games for a plaff spot. I would hope that is FZ's plan.

Not going to happen in 2024. But he needs to start putting together a young team that can play 500 ball now and get better with experience. Next year we can chase some higher profile players to push us closer to the 90 win area. He needs to create a team that has potential. Have some young talent. They need to be abl8e to play to really get a feel for what they can do and then take it from there.

For the past two years he has chased all of the highest level FAs in the market and came up empty. I just don't think players of that caliber want to play for a team that seems to be treading water.
He needs to make it a winning franchise before he can make it a great one ..

I think it's proven to be next to impossible to get an elite bat in the prime of his career to come to SF in this era of contracts.

So stop chasing the unicorn and concentrate on an elite starting staff, bully, and defense. Those we should be able to develop or snag. It might take 2-3 years, but it'll always take 2-3 years from when you start. Start with a plan now and you'll get there sooner.

We've discussed this for years and looks like it'll be the topic for the '25 pre-season. I don't see Farhan changing and I'm not sure what it will take to get the owners to wake up.