2019 Rosterbation

[LHG]

Just because he sucks so bad right now...

That's the cal we know.

 

[SFGRTB]

This is going to be a tough offseason to figure out, and I'm really looking forward to it. For so many years if was pretty easy to guess what the team would do, even if fun names were tossed around that were never gonna happen.

This offseason, though, who the feck knows.

 

[SFGRTB]

Some trades that have been completed recently are some that I hope the Giants can pull off. Something like the Yankee's trade for Didi Gregorious, or the D-Backs trade for Jean Segura, or the Mariners trade for Mitch Haniger (and Jean Segura), the prospect swap of Tyler O'Niell and Marco Gonzalez, the Randal Grichuk trade. I hope the Giants get creative for something like that, taking a shot on a young player instead of taking a shot on an old 'has-been' player.

I'm going to dig up some names that I like

 

[SFGRTB]

Sounds like the Rangers are trying to trade one of their outfielders for some pitching. I'd prefer Gallo but Mazara is intriguing as well. He could use a bit of an adjustment to his swing, but he has a lot of raw ability.

 

[tzill]

Just looked at the MLBTR arb projections, and updated my salary spreadsheet.

As of right now, here's the roster
SP - Shark, Bum, Strat, DRod, Suarez
RP - MM, Dyson, Watson, Smith, Strick, Moronta, Black
C - Posey, Garcia
IF - Panda, Belt, Craw, Longo, Panik, Hanson
OF - Duggar, Slater, Mac, Gork

I have payroll with 27 guys signed (Law, Cueto, D'arnaud) at about $163M.
Hundo and Dutch likely get re-signed ($4 and $8??), probably not Blanco. 175M total

Room for two FAs?

 

[msgkings322]

Just looked at the MLBTR arb projections, and updated my salary spreadsheet.

As of right now, here's the roster
SP - Shark, Bum, Strat, DRod, Suarez
RP - MM, Dyson, Watson, Smith, Strick, Moronta, Black
C - Posey, Garcia
IF - Panda, Belt, Craw, Longo, Panik, Hanson
OF - Duggar, Slater, Mac, Gork

I have payroll with 27 guys signed (Law, Cueto, D'arnaud) at about $163M.
Hundo and Dutch likely get re-signed ($4 and $8??), probably not Blanco. 175M total

Room for two FAs?

Unless the FAs added are Machado and Harper that team ain't competing for dick.

 

[LHG]

Just looked at the MLBTR arb projections, and updated my salary spreadsheet.

As of right now, here's the roster
SP - Shark, Bum, Strat, DRod, Suarez
RP - MM, Dyson, Watson, Smith, Strick, Moronta, Black
C - Posey, Garcia
IF - Panda, Belt, Craw, Longo, Panik, Hanson
OF - Duggar, Slater, Mac, Gork

I have payroll with 27 guys signed (Law, Cueto, D'arnaud) at about $163M.
Hundo and Dutch likely get re-signed ($4 and $8??), probably not Blanco. 175M total

Room for two FAs?

Your roster has 24 players. How about Blach for the final roster spot?

 

[LHG]

Unless the FAs added are Machado and Harper that team ain't competing for dick.

They'd be playing for 2022 (once the farm gets rebuilt and can start to compete again).

 

[msgkings322]

They'd be playing for 2022 (once the farm gets rebuilt and can start to compete again).

Not according to @tzill

He thinks they can retool and take a shot next year with the team they have.

 

[SFGRTB]

To piggy back tzill on the Arb projections (MLBTradeRumors is usually right in the ballpark), some OFers that stick out to me:

Nicholas Castellanos – $11.3M
Corey Dickerson – $8.4M
Avisail Garcia – $8.0M
David Peralta – $7.7M
Billy Hamilton – $5.9M
Kevin Pillar – $5.3M
Eddie Rosario – $5.0M
Randal Grichuk – $4.8M
Derek Dietrich – $4.8M
Michael Conforto – $4.4M
Steven Souza Jr. – $4.0M
Tommy Pham – $4.0M
Robbie Grossman – $4.0M
Nomar Mazara – $3.7M
Michael Taylor – $3.2M
Max Kepler – $3.2M
Adam Duvall – $3.1M
Scott Schebler – $2.7M
Jake Marisnick – $2.4M
Mark Canha – $2.1M
Domingo Santana – $2.0M
Leury Garcia – $1.9M
Delino DeShields Jr. – $1.9M
Byron Buxton – $1.2M

Obviously some on this list are extreme long-shots, but I wouldn't count any out at the right price.

I'd see if you could get one of the Twins' outfielders (Rosario, Grossman, Kepler, Buxton), though none are perfect. Rosario is the best of the bunch, but his 5% walk rate and LHH profile isn't ideal. He'll also cost a lot. Grossman has an excellent walk rate, but doesn't do anything else well. Kepler can't hit lefties and his power might be sapped at AT&T, but he has defensive value in RF at least. Buxton normally wouldn't be available, but he was so bad last year that maybe the Twins are willing to listen. I highly doubt they would, but he'd be the guy I target.

I've already mentioned Mazara and Grichuk before.

Michael Taylor and Adam Duvall are DFA candidates I think. Both could be solid buy-low players.

 

[LHG]

To piggy back tzill on the Arb projections (MLBTradeRumors is usually right in the ballpark), some OFers that stick out to me:

Nicholas Castellanos – $11.3M
Corey Dickerson – $8.4M
Avisail Garcia – $8.0M
David Peralta – $7.7M
Billy Hamilton – $5.9M
Kevin Pillar – $5.3M
Eddie Rosario – $5.0M
Randal Grichuk – $4.8M
Derek Dietrich – $4.8M
Michael Conforto – $4.4M
Steven Souza Jr. – $4.0M
Tommy Pham – $4.0M
Robbie Grossman – $4.0M
Nomar Mazara – $3.7M
Michael Taylor – $3.2M
Max Kepler – $3.2M
Adam Duvall – $3.1M
Scott Schebler – $2.7M
Jake Marisnick – $2.4M
Mark Canha – $2.1M
Domingo Santana – $2.0M
Leury Garcia – $1.9M
Delino DeShields Jr. – $1.9M
Byron Buxton – $1.2M

Obviously some on this list are extreme long-shots, but I wouldn't count any out at the right price.

I'd see if you could get one of the Twins' outfielders (Rosario, Grossman, Kepler, Buxton), though none are perfect. Rosario is the best of the bunch, but his 5% walk rate and LHH profile isn't ideal. He'll also cost a lot. Grossman has an excellent walk rate, but doesn't do anything else well. Kepler can't hit lefties and his power might be sapped at AT&T, but he has defensive value in RF at least. Buxton normally wouldn't be available, but he was so bad last year that maybe the Twins are willing to listen. I highly doubt they would, but he'd be the guy I target.

I've already mentioned Mazara and Grichuk before.

Michael Taylor and Adam Duvall are DFA candidates I think. Both could be solid buy-low players.

In other words, just stick with Williamson and Shaw. They won't cost anything to acquire.

 

[SFGRTB]

In other words, just stick with Williamson and Shaw. They won't cost anything to acquire.

Yeah probably. I'd probe the Domingo Santana, Mazara, Buxton, Grichuk and Scott Schebler markets, maybe swoop up Taylor or Duvall if they're DFA'd, but wouldn't give up a ton for anyone (outside of maybe Buxton if he becomes available somehow)

 

[tzill]

Your roster has 24 players. How about Blach for the final roster spot?

27 contracts including the three in parens. I purposefully left the fifth OF spot open. If Blach makes the team, you have to remove one of the other RPs.

 

[tzill]

Not according to @tzill

He thinks they can retool and take a shot next year with the team they have.

I never said that.

Cmon, man. Be better.

 

[msgkings322]

I never said that.

Cmon, man. Be better.

Dude, yeah you did. I was impressed with the detail you gave in that post. I'll try to find it when I have time later but it's here somewhere.

So, you don't think they will trade Bumgarner and rebuild, and you don't think they can retool to compete...what exactly do you think they are doing?

 

[tzill]

Dude, yeah you did. I was impressed with the detail you gave in that post. I'll try to find it when I have time later but it's here somewhere.

So, you don't think they will trade Bumgarner and rebuild, and you don't think they can retool to compete...what exactly do you think they are doing?

I don't think I ever gave an opinion on whether they can retool. If I'm wrong I'd like to know. I did say that THEY believe they can retool and are unwilling to take the attendance/viewership hit a rebuild would cause.

 

[SFGRTB]

Sounds like the Yankees are trying to dump Sonny Gray. Projects to earn $9 million in his final year of arbitration. I'd take a shot if I was the Giants. Goes from Yankee stadium to AT&T, that's a huge plus. Reunites with Curt Young, his former pitching coach. Young knows Gray more than anyone.

At Yankee Stadium in 2018: 6.98 ERA in 59.1 innings, 45 Ks, 35 BBs, 11 homers

Away from Yankee Stadium: 3.17 ERA in 71.0 innings, 79 Ks, 22 walks, 3 homers

Could flip him at the deadline if he does well. If he sucks, it's only 1 year.

 

[LHG]

With the arb talks earlier, I don't see anything about the estimates for our guys, so here they are:

• Sam Dyson – $5.4MM
• Joe Panik – $4.2MM
• Will Smith – $4.1MM
• Hunter Strickland – $2.5MM
• Gorkys Hernandez – $1.6MM
• Chase d’Arnaud – $800K

 

[tzill]

Sounds like the Yankees are trying to dump Sonny Gray. Projects to earn $9 million in his final year of arbitration. I'd take a shot if I was the Giants. Goes from Yankee stadium to AT&T, that's a huge plus. Reunites with Curt Young, his former pitching coach. Young knows Gray more than anyone.

At Yankee Stadium in 2018: 6.98 ERA in 59.1 innings, 45 Ks, 35 BBs, 11 homers

Away from Yankee Stadium: 3.17 ERA in 71.0 innings, 79 Ks, 22 walks, 3 homers

Could flip him at the deadline if he does well. If he sucks, it's only 1 year.

It all depends upon price of course, but I can't see him being a huge improvement over what we already have.

 

[SFGRTB]

It all depends upon price of course, but I can't see him being a huge improvement over what we already have.

Assuming Gray is fairly reasonable (a low-level lotto ticket or high-level reliever type) I'd take him over Stratton easily. If they bring Holland back, then maybe I don't really think it's worth the investment.

That being said, I can easily envision the Giants getting a great ROI by flipping him at the next deadline. Give up a Melvin Adon now, possibly get two Melvin Adons in July, or even better a Logan Webb.