2014 Offseason Plans Thread

[terpsfball09]

In our rotation I see one sure thing, one promising young guy, and then a bunch of uncertainty. Therefore I don't agree with what JD said and I think bringing in a young talented SP like miller or wacha would be great.

 

[Jcouch]

In our rotation I see one sure thing, one promising young guy, and then a bunch of uncertainty. Therefore I don't agree with what JD said and I think bringing in a young talented SP like miller or wacha would be great.

How do you propose they go about doing that? Guys like Wacha are untouchable and Shelby Miller package will cost us Elvis Andrus or jurickson Profar. Matt Harrison pitched over 180 inning in 2011 and 2012 with under a 3.40 era pretty solid to me. Derrick Holland has pitched 175 plus inning each of the past 3 years with 212 innings last year and an average ERA of 4.0. Both perfect for 3 and 4 starters. It would be nice to add another pitcher, but like we saw last year with Garza pitchers are very expensive and you never know what you are going to get. It's not easy to go out and just grab a 23 year pitcher locked up through 2018 that had a 3.06 era his rookie season. They don't just grow on trees. Well maybe in St Louis and Tampa, but no where else.

 

[Justinkm83]

In our rotation I see one sure thing, one promising young guy, and then a bunch of uncertainty. Therefore I don't agree with what JD said and I think bringing in a young talented SP like miller or wacha would be great.

I see a annual Cy young candidate, and 3 quality lefties, including Perez who I think will be better than Holland and Harrison.

 

[DT LUNA]

In our rotation I see one sure thing, one promising young guy, and then a bunch of uncertainty. Therefore I don't agree with what JD said and I think bringing in a young talented SP like miller or wacha would be great.

I see things pretty much the same way. Perez is exciting to me and Yu speaks for himself. Derek still has a lot of talent and can be lights out but which night? Every thing else is TBD. Another SP would be nice.

 

[Hambombs]

I would deff do Elvis for scherzer in a heartbeat good trade idea

 

[Hambombs]

I see things pretty much the same way. Perez is exciting to me and Yu speaks for himself. Derek still has a lot of talent and can be lights out but which night? Every thing else is TBD. Another SP would be nice.

Holland was pretty consistent this season lol really?

 

[Justinkm83]

I would deff do Elvis for scherzer in a heartbeat good trade idea

???? You would trade a SS under club control for a pitcher who's a FA in a year that plays every 5 days?

 

[Hambombs]

???? You would trade a SS under club control for a pitcher who's a FA in a year that plays every 5 days?

Obviously you sign him to an extension.

 

[DT LUNA]

How do you propose they go about doing that? Guys like Wacha are untouchable and Shelby Miller package will cost us Elvis Andrus or jurickson Profar. Matt Harrison pitched over 180 inning in 2011 and 2012 with under a 3.40 era pretty solid to me. Derrick Holland has pitched 175 plus inning each of the past 3 years with 212 innings last year and an average ERA of 4.0. Both perfect for 3 and 4 starters. It would be nice to add another pitcher, but like we saw last year with Garza pitchers are very expensive and you never know what you are going to get. It's not easy to go out and just grab a 23 year pitcher locked up through 2018 that had a 3.06 era his rookie season. They don't just grow on trees. Well maybe in St Louis and Tampa, but no where else.

If we lose Andrus or Profar making the team better then so be it but I hope it won't be ELVIS. But adding Miller to our rotation would help the team a great deal. Beyond #'s 1,2,3 the rotation is not certain.

 

[Justinkm83]

Obviously you sign him to an extension.

Well considering there's a small chance he would do that....Why would a player coming off a CY young year, agree to avoid the market?

 

[Hambombs]

Well considering there's a small chance he would do that....

And you know this how??

 

[Justinkm83]

And you know this how??

Common sense

 

[romeo212000]

???? You would trade a SS under club control for a pitcher who's a FA in a year that plays every 5 days?

Can we stop pretending that a starting pitcher is somehow less valuable because he plays every fifth day? That pitcher affects each game he pitches far more than any individual player on a given day.

That said, I can't say I'm surprised hambombs likes this idea.

 

[Hambombs]

I would also love Shelby miller on this team. That rotation will be so exciting

 

[terpsfball09]

K guys someone please tell me the last time derek holland had a good season before 2013? And then what did he do after? Okay. I think perez has got potential like I said. Harrison is coming off missing an entire year besides 2 nightmarish starts with a BACK injury. The back is extremely important when it comes to plane of the ball thrown and tilt on offspeed pitches. Staying tall until follow through also adds velocity. Also, a loose and flexible back lessens the chances of injuries elsewhere on the body. And we don't even know who our 5 is.

 

[Hambombs]

Can we stop pretending that a staying pitcher is somehow less valuable because he plays every fifth day? That pitcher affects each game he pitches far more than any individual player on a given day.

That said, I can't say I'm surprised hambombs likes this idea.

??? Obviously he has to agree on the extension or no deal

 

[Justinkm83]

Can we stop pretending that a starting pitcher is somehow less valuable because he plays every fifth day? That pitcher affects each game he pitches far more than any individual player on a given day.

That said, I can't say I'm surprised hambombs likes this idea.

The pitcher does affect the game more than an individual player, but only 1 day out of 5. The position player is more valuable the other 4.

 

[terpsfball09]

Plus, we don't even need alll 3 middle infielders. If we have an opportunity to strengthen our questionable rotation, why in the world would anyone object to that?? I mean I'm almost positive we could get miller if we wanted to. Wacha is a loooong shot, but I think it would be foolish for the cardinals to not at least listen.

People always use the argument "pitchers only pitch once out of every 5 games so they arent as valuable." Well i'm pretty sure that one day that the pitcher pitches is widely important to the outcome of the game itself, no? The pitcher is the most important part of the team. Bar none. You are only as good as your pitching. Hell, the dodgers have greinke kershaw ryu billingsley and have a ton of good prospects coming up, but they are still probably gonna sign this japanese dude. You can NEVER have enough of it.

 

[Hambombs]

K guys someone please tell me the last time derek holland had a good season before 2013? And then what did he do after? Okay. I think perez has got potential like I said. Harrison is coming off missing an entire year besides 2 nightmarish starts with a BACK injury. The back is extremely important when it comes to plane of the ball thrown and tilt on offspeed pitches. Staying tall until follow through also adds velocity. Also, a loose and flexible back lessens the chances of injuries elsewhere on the body. And we don't even know who our 5 is.

Holland shuts up all the haters and now they talk down on him for not having more than one season. Ohh he had a good season in 2011 by the way

 

[DT LUNA]

Holland was pretty consistent this season lol really?

Derek was 10-9. But that could be contributed to a lacking offense.