Michael Jordan is a fraud

[thunderc]

And that is stupid honestly.

LeBron is the better player and the better team player.

LeBron and Bird would compliment each other extremely well.

Can’t question Larry

 

[Jordan23]

Simple answer...Lebron, he's going to get the ball to the guy who has the best shot available and if that's him, he's going to make it nearly 50% of the time. Something neither MJ or Kobe can say.

Jordan all day every day with the game on the line.

 

[Jordan23]

A lot more people would hate MJ if he was treated by media the same way LeBron was.

LeBron’s lowlights are constantly picked apart on social media by his detractors.

MJ on the other hand was protected by the media. I believe that the people who reported on the sport recognized MJ’s image was so vital for the league’s popularity and allowing him to be viewed as this god-like mythical being was self serving.

And because the sports media back then was mostly controlled by a few big players, they were able to control and spin the narratives.

Not the case anymore.

Lebron brings it on himself. He’s an arrogant me me me clown constantly. Just watch his antics on the court. Big reason for it

 

[tlance]

Lebron brings it on himself. He’s an arrogant me me me clown constantly. Just watch his antics on the court. Big reason for it

You are applying a double standard.

Not many athletes more arrogant than Jordan. He just did a better job of hiding it in his public persona and as I said, media was complicit in helping him.

You ever hear about LeBron punching or relentlessly bullying teammates?

No you wouldn’t. Jordan did those things. Bill Cartwright had the threaten to break both his legs to get him to stop on him. Steve Kerr didn’t earn Jordan’s respect until he threw a punch at him.

That is not how good teammates conduct themselves.

 

[dtgold88]

@trojanfan12
Michael jordan bitched to the refs more than any player in the 90's, hands down. He was the golden boy, who was allowed to travel while everyone else wasn't. He was living at the free throw line because if you breathed on him it was a foul, and when he didn't get his special calls, he whined.

These young kids think MJ was some working man's man who never whined, had no drama (he had tons, look at what he did to Reinsdorf and the organization), made every shot, and shot bolts of lightning out of his ass LOL. Late Gen X and Early Millenial ESPN/Nike fans have a religious glorification of MJ. Listen, He's an AMAZING all-time great who has a legitimate argument to be considered for the GOAT. But instead of starting at a neutral point and asking "Who is the GOAT?"... they'll often demand to start at "MJ is the GOAT, and you have to prove he isn't, but if you don't think he's the GOAT you're stupid"...

This isn't an NHL Gretzky closed case. Not at all.

agree with a lot of this but think MJ extreme lovers are more Get Off My Lawn Guys than young guys.

 

[dtgold88]

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If making it up anyway, why make it so close?

 

[dtgold88]

Bruh.

First off Kobe did not have a better career. Dumb shit like footwork shouldnt even be on there.

Kobe couldnt defend bigs like Lebron either.

Honestly making it up he should not have made it so close. and IQ goes to Kobe along with clutch? Never mind one of those is easy to to disprove and has been.

 

[dtgold88]

And that is stupid honestly.

LeBron is the better player and the better team player.

LeBron and Bird would compliment each other extremely well.

I could see making that comment with MJ and not Kobe...I even question Bird made that comment. Lebron went to Finals with Z as his #2. Think he might get there with that Bird fellow.

 

[dtgold88]

Jordan all day every day with the game on the line.

sure as long as you are hugging those nuts and ignore Lebron as good or better in clutch shots AND a better chance to get the ball to a teammate for an even better shot.

 

[trojanfan12]

sure as long as you are hugging those nuts and ignore Lebron as good or better in clutch shots AND a better chance to get the ball to a teammate for an even better shot.

Times when both MJ and Kobe have passed up clutch shots and passed to teammates has been mentioned multiple times...yet the MJ/Kobe apologists don't want to address it for some reason.

 

[dtgold88]

Times when both MJ and Kobe have passed up clutch shots and passed to teammates has been mentioned multiple times...yet the MJ/Kobe apologists don't want to address it for some reason.

Right....rarely did it but when they did usually worked.

If Kobe had a better bball IQ he'd have done it more.....if for no other reason than to get better shots if he wanted to be selfish.

 

[tlance]

Right....rarely did it but when they did usually worked.

If Kobe had a better bball IQ he'd have done it more.....if for no other reason than to get better shots if he wanted to be selfish.

My favorite… can’t remember which one said it.

But it was something to the effect of MJ and Kobe not wanting to burden a teammate with the responsibility of a last second shot.

BS.

There are almost zero players who wouldn’t want that opportunity to hit a shot with a big game on the line.

Show me a guy who doesn’t want that (Ben Simmons?) and I will show you a guy I don’t want on my team.

 

[trojanfan12]

My favorite… can’t remember which one said it.

But it was something to the effect of MJ and Kobe not wanting to burden a teammate with the responsibility of a last second shot.

BS.

There are almost zero players who wouldn’t want that opportunity to hit a shot with a big game on the line.

Show me a guy who doesn’t want that (Ben Simmons?) and I will show you a guy I don’t want on my team.

Yep, NBA players are no different than the rest of us in the sense that we all spent our childhoods hitting the last second, game winning shot that sealed the championship.

And if we missed...we were fouled and went to the line. lol

 

[Jordan23]

You are applying a double standard.

Not many athletes more arrogant than Jordan. He just did a better job of hiding it in his public persona and as I said, media was complicit in helping him.

You ever hear about LeBron punching or relentlessly bullying teammates?

No you wouldn’t. Jordan did those things. Bill Cartwright had the threaten to break both his legs to get him to stop on him. Steve Kerr didn’t earn Jordan’s respect until he threw a punch at him.

That is not how good teammates conduct themselves.

Deflect away from LeBron “I’m the greatest” talk and his flopping and whining. Congrats

 

[Jordan23]

sure as long as you are hugging those nuts and ignore Lebron as good or better in clutch shots AND a better chance to get the ball to a teammate for an even better shot.

lol, don’t care what it shows, in the clutch anyone with a brain is taking Jordan. How many game winners LeBron have in 7 more seasons?

 

[dtgold88]

lol, don’t care what it shows, in the clutch anyone with a brain is taking Jordan. How many game winners LeBron have in 7 more seasons?

I mean I get you don't care about anything that does not support your love for MJ. Not like you try to hide this.

Lebron has 1 less in reg. season than MJ, but 2 more in postseason.

 

[dtgold88]

Deflect away from LeBron “I’m the greatest” talk and his flopping and whining. Congrats

So deflect away from the things that are in your head so you can ignore what really happened?

 

[RobToxin]

This is your "GOAT.

LOL!

 

[dtgold88]

This is your "GOAT.

LOL!

This is, what, like 10 flops and a few legit/smart?

Here's some for MJ.....

 

[tlance]

Deflect away from LeBron “I’m the greatest” talk and his flopping and whining. Congrats

Haha.

Yeah, I am the one deflecting.

How somebody answers a question doesn’t bother me.

I would much prefer an honest answer than a dishonest one. There is no chance MJ believes anyone but him is GOAT.

Nor should he.

Who are we kidding here?