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The Case for trading Fields

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The difference in yards throw per game between Hurts and Fields in 22 is a little less than 100.

And are we gonna say that improving pass protection and adding a top tier weapon in the passing game wouldn’t close that gap a bit or even all the way?
only under 25 attempts in 3 games, Fields only over 25 attempts in 3 games.

He holds onto the ball, does not trust his receivers, before you know it he will be dressing funny two. The 5 carat studs he wears to games is just a warning sign.
 

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Einstein, he threw for less than 250 yards in 2 out of 3 games played this year? Are you counting the games he did not play. He threw for around 150 in 2 games, over 200 in 11 games, four of which were over 300

In 15 games he threw for 250 or more in 5 of them. That makes 2 out 3 being under. Because math.

You said he often throws for 250-300. 33% isn’t often. But I’m sure you will write some incoherent paragraph defending your bullshit anyway.
 

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Justin Feilds is loved in the locker room. He is a hard worker, first one in, last one to leave sort. He isn't going anywhere. And if you are going to talk about yards as a QB, you really do need to toss in his rushing yards per game. That is part of his total package as well. Would I rather he threw for those yards rather than rush for them, sure, but he still gets the yards, no matter how you look at it.
 

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Justin Feilds is loved in the locker room. He is a hard worker, first one in, last one to leave sort. He isn't going anywhere. And if you are going to talk about yards as a QB, you really do need to toss in his rushing yards per game. That is part of his total package as well. Would I rather he threw for those yards rather than rush for them, sure, but he still gets the yards, no matter how you look at it.

And I remember somewheres I heard him say he doesnt want to rush for that many again.........I dont blame him.
 

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Justin Feilds is loved in the locker room. He is a hard worker, first one in, last one to leave sort. He isn't going anywhere. And if you are going to talk about yards as a QB, you really do need to toss in his rushing yards per game. That is part of his total package as well. Would I rather he threw for those yards rather than rush for them, sure, but he still gets the yards, no matter how you look at it.
Where did you hear first one in and last one out. Not doubting you just want to know if this is true.
 

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Where did you hear first one in and last one out. Not doubting you just want to know if this is true.
They bring this up on Kap and Hoody all the time...They also bring up that Mitch did the same thing.
 

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They bring this up on Kap and Hoody all the time...They also bring up that Mitch did the same thing.
I don’t think that’s so rare amongst nfl QBs. They basically have to be coaches on the field.
 

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And I remember somewheres I heard him say he doesnt want to rush for that many again.........I dont blame him.
Can't find the article where I read that at the moment, but those were pretty much his exact words. I really don't think any QB wants to rush all that much, altho I'll say this again - I worry much less about Fields getting hurt while running the ball than I do him getting blindsided in the pocket. More often than not, this is where QBs get hurt.
 

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Justin Feilds is loved in the locker room. He is a hard worker, first one in, last one to leave sort. He isn't going anywhere. And if you are going to talk about yards as a QB, you really do need to toss in his rushing yards per game. That is part of his total package as well. Would I rather he threw for those yards rather than rush for them, sure, but he still gets the yards, no matter how you look at it.
Except it doesn't account for him as a passer. Which is the concern. You cannot sustain success in this league, as a quarterback, without the ability to pass the football at a high level. This should be obvious. Rushing being such a large part of his game also just leads to a future marred by injury. Vick, Newton, and now Jackson. RGIII made it one year before injuries began to derail his career. Well, that and he also never developed as a passer.

A QB that can only be consistently efficient running the football, is also a QB that you will struggle MIGHTILY to win with playing from behind. Fields had a never ending SLEW of opportunities with the ball in his hands. Two minute drill. Game on the line. Most times, he didn't even net a first down or move into opposing territory in those situations.

Rushing yards are more of an accessory for a QB. It's a nice trait to possess and can certainly help in a big way. However, it's not in the same stratosphere of importance as throwing the football is. You can't just lump all of it together.
 

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Can't find the article where I read that at the moment, but those were pretty much his exact words. I really don't think any QB wants to rush all that much, altho I'll say this again - I worry much less about Fields getting hurt while running the ball than I do him getting blindsided in the pocket. More often than not, this is where QBs get hurt.
I don't think that's accurate. At all. Not for athletic QB's that rush consistently.
 

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I don't think that's accurate. At all. Not for athletic QB's that rush consistently.
Little doubt that Fields will be running again next season and likely the following season and the following and so on. My point was in a perfect world he won't need to rush as much. He stated that he doesn't want to see future seasons with him running for over 1000 yards. But yeah, until teams figure out a way to stop him, he'll continue being a major factor in the run game. And I'll state it yet again: I feel he's safer when he's running than when he's sitting back in the pocket with a blindside waiting to happen.
 

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Except it doesn't account for him as a passer. Which is the concern. You cannot sustain success in this league, as a quarterback, without the ability to pass the football at a high level. This should be obvious. Rushing being such a large part of his game also just leads to a future marred by injury. Vick, Newton, and now Jackson. RGIII made it one year before injuries began to derail his career. Well, that and he also never developed as a passer.

A QB that can only be consistently efficient running the football, is also a QB that you will struggle MIGHTILY to win with playing from behind. Fields had a never ending SLEW of opportunities with the ball in his hands. Two minute drill. Game on the line. Most times, he didn't even net a first down or move into opposing territory in those situations.

Rushing yards are more of an accessory for a QB. It's a nice trait to possess and can certainly help in a big way. However, it's not in the same stratosphere of importance as throwing the football is. You can't just lump all of it together.
Here's the thing, Fields has made big time throws, and one to actually win a game, (Mooney dropped the TD) and moved the Bears in 2 min drills (Jones fumble). He has not been totally inept. Is he Dan Marino or Dan Fouts? Other than not being named Dan, no. However, he appears to be a decent young NFL qb. HoF, doubt it, but better than the rest of that qb draft class not named Lawernce. He isn't going anywhere. Not yet. If the Bears fix the Team around him and they do not make the playoffs due to mediocre qb play, then you move on. QB's are hard to judge, hell, Mr irrelevant led the 49'rs to a playoff victory.
 

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Justin Feilds is loved in the locker room. He is a hard worker, first one in, last one to leave sort. He isn't going anywhere. And if you are going to talk about yards as a QB, you really do need to toss in his rushing yards per game. That is part of his total package as well. Would I rather he threw for those yards rather than rush for them, sure, but he still gets the yards, no matter how you look at it.
Justin himself has said that he would rather be setting passing records than rushing records, so there is hope. The problem lies in when does it finally click. Does it click next year, or does it click after he breaks a collar bone or tears up a knee.

We all read the articles of why he was not drafted earlier than he was, it was pocket presence and read and react. Our current fan base had a circle jerk about how high he graded in the classroom. The GM's that passed on him saw it on the field.

The holding onto the ball stats, where he is highest in the league does not include him holding and running for 15 seconds for a TD, its when he makes the decision to run or throw behind the line of scrimmage. Hopefully his hard work will pay off and he will get rid of the ball in 2.5 seconds for a handful of plays to fix the average. The love in the locker room only goes too far, and like I have written many times in the past, these receivers get paid by getting 1000 yard seasons, not for blocking. Guys like St Brown gets paid for dropping and blocking, and its nowhere close to the going rate and it works if it brings wins.
 

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Except it doesn't account for him as a passer. Which is the concern. You cannot sustain success in this league, as a quarterback, without the ability to pass the football at a high level. This should be obvious. Rushing being such a large part of his game also just leads to a future marred by injury. Vick, Newton, and now Jackson. RGIII made it one year before injuries began to derail his career. Well, that and he also never developed as a passer.

A QB that can only be consistently efficient running the football, is also a QB that you will struggle MIGHTILY to win with playing from behind. Fields had a never ending SLEW of opportunities with the ball in his hands. Two minute drill. Game on the line. Most times, he didn't even net a first down or move into opposing territory in those situations.

Rushing yards are more of an accessory for a QB. It's a nice trait to possess and can certainly help in a big way. However, it's not in the same stratosphere of importance as throwing the football is. You can't just lump all of it together.

Everything you say here may be proven right down the line. But you and I and everyone on this board knows we're going into next season with Fields. All this "the case for trading Fields" is just balogna. Zero chance the Bears receive more of an offer for Fields than they do the 1 pick...and frankly, it's pretty obvious that he's our guy, come hell or high water.

So the milk is spilt baby...Might as well jump on this Fields train and, to quote the not-so-great-anymore Russell Wilson (who I'm glad we didn't trade for), "let's ride."
 

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Funny, but the "second fields" would be free for two extra years.

He would also set the rebuild back at least 1 season at the very least and potentially longer.

The saving money aspect of drafting a new QB is completely overblown and overrated.

You're really gonna trade a good young QB now so you don't have to pay him later? Ridiculous.
 

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One factor people don’t consider in this argument is our cap space. We have about $118m in cap space. We are going to be bringing in a ton of free agents. With that kind of cap room, we can bring in 5 new starting caliber players on the oline and still have the most cap space in the league. We act as if getting a rookie QB is going to be tough behind our current oline, but we don’t even know what this offense will look like next year.
 
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