The Seattle Seahawks have traded for Jamaal Adams

[NWPATSFAN]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA no people are not aware as wolfork hasnt played in like 10 years

Adams is the best pass rushing DB the NFL has ever seen

New to football? Wilfork retired in 2016. That's close to10 years.

Glad you clarified pass rushing. Now if he can learn to play the rest of the position of a DB he may be worth all those picks, $, missed games and complaining. Maybe? That and being the best pass rushing DB are debatable.

 

[seattlefan75]

New to football? Wilfork retired in 2016. That's close to10 years.

Glad you clarified pass rushing. Now if he can learn to play the rest of the position of a DB he may be worth all those picks, $, missed games and complaining. Maybe? That and being the best pass rushing DB are debatable.

Your mother is a hooker

 

[Southieinnc]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA no people are not aware as wolfork hasnt played in like 10 years

Adams is the best pass rushing DB the NFL has ever seen

Larry Wilson had the same number of sacks as Adams. Wilson was a top safety and as such, he had 52 interceptions.
I have never seen a top safety have only 2 interceptions in a career.
Maybe this year he'll get 50 of them since he is finally going to cover?

By the way. All of the top ranked safeties of all time could cover.

 

[seattlefan75]

Larry Wilson had the same number of sacks as Adams. Wilson was a top safety and as such, he had 52 interceptions.
I have never seen a top safety have only 2 interceptions in a career.
Maybe this year he'll get 50 of them since he is finally going to cover?

By the way. All of the top ranked safeties of all time could cover.

The best pass rushing DB of all time...... and Jamal Adams has more sacks in 4 seasons than larry wilson in his career and even then you cannot compare 1960 when he played to the level of competition today.

 

[Southieinnc]

Adams is the best pass rushing DB the NFL has ever seen

If you look at the top 25 defensive backs of all time, last on the list at #25 is Rodney Harrison.

25 Greatest Defensive Backs in NFL History​

25. Rodney Harrison, Safety​

San Diego 1994-2002; New England 2003-08

4-time first-team All-Pro, 2-time Pro Bowler

Super Bowl XXXVIII, XXXIX champion (Patriots)

Key stats: 1,205 tackles, 30.5 sacks, 34 INTs

 

[seattlefan75]

If you look at the top 25 defensive backs of all time, last on the list at #25 is Rodney Harrison.

25 Greatest Defensive Backs in NFL History​

25. Rodney Harrison, Safety​

San Diego 1994-2002; New England 2003-08

4-time first-team All-Pro, 2-time Pro Bowler

Super Bowl XXXVIII, XXXIX champion (Patriots)

Key stats: 1,205 tackles, 30.5 sacks, 34 INTs

Jamal Adams will have the all time sack record for DBs

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I have twice as many INTs as a certain overpaid safety.

But I need two hands to count them.

 

[Southieinnc]

Jamal Adams will have the all time sack record for DBs

I'm not down on Adams the player, I'm down on the trade and the contract.
What is the over/under for sacks this year?
What is the over/under for interceptions this year? Is 1 too high for a $70 million safety?

 

[returnofjakedog]

I think you missed the point multiple times here.

First no way in hell he would've won the battle with the NFL to get tagged as a LB. See how it worked for Jimmy Graham when he tried claiming he was a WR. He actually had a more legit claim. So just because Adams now wants to identify as a LB doesn't make him one.

So no way his tag hit would've been less if Seattle chose to entertain Jamal's wish.

He's not playing a full season. His missing games is increasing every year.

So they're not going to blitz him as much? What are they paying him top safety money for? He can't cover, that's not being new to the system. That's his career. He's not a ball hawk with only 2 picks.

So they're paying him top $ to be a run stopping tackler? Which he's very good at. Not to mention the bounty they gave up for him. Come on you can't defend the FO on this deal.
If I were a Hawks fan I would hope PC has him blitzing more. It's what he's good at.

Two years before we hear him complain that he wants a new deal? I doubt it. I think by camp next year, you hear his complaining again. It's the second best thing he's good at. If he doesn't blitz and his numbers drop he'll complain. If he blitzes and gets 9.5 or more sacks he'll complain he needs to get paid again.

Good luck with him.

$5 million cap hit this year. $9.1 million next year. $18.1 million in year 3.

So basically $11 million a year over 3 years, then the actual big numbers kick in, at which point he will be reworked or cut.

Significantly less than the safety tag numbers, let alone LB tag numbers.

 

[returnofjakedog]

I'm not down on Adams the player, I'm down on the trade and the contract.
What is the over/under for sacks this year?
What is the over/under for interceptions this year? Is 1 too high for a $70 million safety?

See my other post.

It is essentially a 3 year deal at $11 million a year. After year 3 it either becomes a 2 year at $27 million a year, or he gets reworked, or cut with 2 years at $4 million a year bonuses and possibly $3.1 million a year in options (not sure how those are figured in if he is cut).

It is highly unlikely he ever sees the $16.5 and $17.5 million base salaries of the last 2 years unless the market is reset or he plays at HOF level.

 

[returnofjakedog]

Well if that's true he'll have more sacks than games played.

Are people aware that Vince Wilfork has more INTs than Adams?

Are you aware that in 4 years Adams already has 5 more sacks than Wilfolk had in a 13 year career?

Also, he's missed 6 games in 4 years, yet you act as if he is perpetually injured.

Your sad little bias continues to show.

 

[Southieinnc]

See my other post.

yOU HAVE A LOT OF POSTS

 

[Southieinnc]

$5 million cap hit this year. $9.1 million next year. $18.1 million in year 3.

So basically $11 million a year over 3 years, then the actual big numbers kick in, at which point he will be reworked or cut.

Significantly less than the safety tag numbers, let alone LB tag numbers.

How much is guaranteed?

 

[Southieinnc]

See my other post.

It is essentially a 3 year deal at $11 million a year. After year 3 it either becomes a 2 year at $27 million a year, or he gets reworked, or cut with 2 years at $4 million a year bonuses and possibly $3.1 million a year in options (not sure how those are figured in if he is cut).

It is highly unlikely he ever sees the $16.5 and $17.5 million base salaries of the last 2 years unless the market is reset or he plays at HOF level.

I stand corrected. The contract is a good one for this player.

 

[Southieinnc]

I stand corrected. The contract is a good one for this player.

@HaroldSeattle give Jake a bone!

 

[returnofjakedog]

How much is guaranteed?

$20 million at contract signing over 5 years is the actual signing bonus. So $4 million a year.

There are also $3.1 million option bonus for the last 4 years of the deal. I'm not sure how that fits into guaranteed money but I see according to Pro Football Talk more money becomes guaranteed after the end of each season.

From PFT:
"The deal includes $21 million fully guaranteed at signing. By the fifth day after the next Super Bowl, $35.44 million will be fully guaranteed. By the fifth day after Super Bowl LVII, $38 million will be fully guaranteed. That’s 47.2 percent of the total contract value."

The $21 million due at signing this year represents the $1 million base salary plus the entire guaranteed bonus money which is spread out at $4 million per year over.

So it breaks down as such:
Year/Base/Bonus/Option Bonus/Salary Cap#
2021: $1 million/$4 million/$0/$5 million
2022: $2 million/$4 million/$3.1 million/$9.1 million
2023: $11 million/$4 million/$3.1 milliion/$18.1 million

So that is just under $11 million a year in the first 3 years. That actually a $4.86 million reduction in salary this year.

Then the bigger numbers kick in:
2024: $16.5 million/$4 million/$3.1 million/$23.6 million
2025: $18.5 million/$4 million/$3.1 million/$25.6 million.

By this point in 2024 they could theoretically cut Adams for a $8 million hit (it could be split into a 2 year cap hit of $4 million each year), or restructure his deal to lower the base salary. But the cap penalty could be more depending on the "bonus option" money, which could add up to $3.1 million per year if/when it becomes guaranteed.

Also there are $2.75 million in incentive bonuses over the course of the deal but that is relatively small amount over 5 years and I don't see what the incentives are.

 

[Southieinnc]

$20 million at contract signing over 5 years is the actual signing bonus. So $4 million a year.

There are also $3.1 million option bonus for the last 4 years of the deal. I'm not sure how that fits into guaranteed money but I see according to Pro Football Talk more money becomes guaranteed after the end of each season.

From PFT:
"The deal includes $21 million fully guaranteed at signing. By the fifth day after the next Super Bowl, $35.44 million will be fully guaranteed. By the fifth day after Super Bowl LVII, $38 million will be fully guaranteed. That’s 47.2 percent of the total contract value."

The $21 million due at signing this year represents the $1 million base salary plus the entire guaranteed bonus money which is spread out at $4 million per year over.

So it breaks down as such:
Year/Base/Bonus/Option Bonus/Salary Cap#
2021: $1 million/$4 million/$0/$5 million
2022: $2 million/$4 million/$3.1 million/$9.1 million
2023: $11 million/$4 million/$3.1 milliion/$18.1 million

So that is just under $11 million a year in the first 3 years. That actually a $4.86 million reduction in salary this year.

Then the bigger numbers kick in:
2024: $16.5 million/$4 million/$3.1 million/$23.6 million
2025: $18.5 million/$4 million/$3.1 million/$25.6 million.

By this point in 2024 they could theoretically cut Adams for a $8 million hit (it could be split into a 2 year cap hit of $4 million each year), or restructure his deal to lower the base salary. But the cap penalty could be more depending on the "bonus option" money, which could add up to $3.1 million per year if/when it becomes guaranteed.

Also there are $2.75 million in incentive bonuses over the course of the deal but that is relatively small amount over 5 years and I don't see what the incentives are.

TMDNR

 

[fastforward]

How much is guaranteed?

Effectively his 1 year $9.86M contract has been ripped up and replaced with a 3 year $46.44M contract. At signing only $21M is fully guaranteed so if he has an non-football incident that costs him 2022 and beyond that's all he'll get. However there's an additional $15M guaranteed for injury, ($12.44M of which becomes fully guaranteed after the Super Bowl). Realistically it's a $33.44M guarantee.

There are 2 additional non-guaranteed years tacked on so the true value of the deal is below 3 years for $46.44M.

I would have wanted March roster bonuses in those 2 years, or an opt-out clause, and a, (presumably standard) guarantee that the cap unaccounted for $8M in dead money couldn't be held against him if he held out in 2024 or 2025. The 1st 3 years are a good deal for both sides.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Jamal Adams will have the all time sack record for DBs

& if you listed all the primary things a DB is supposed to do.
Sacking QBs would be down on that list.

That is like saying hey this guy is gonna be the best at the 6th thing he is supposed to be able to do. But it just doesn't have the same flair. I agree.

 

[Tapey]

Y’all post some really long reply’s hold on I’ll get back to y’all in 3 hours after I’m done reading some of these posts

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Are you aware that in 4 years Adams already has 5 more sacks than Wilfolk had in a 13 year career?

Also, he's missed 6 games in 4 years, yet you act as if he is perpetually injured.

Your sad little bias continues to show.

Are you aware Wilfork weighed 340# by then end of his career. He couldn't run down Brady. Unlike Adams, Vince was a true run stopper who didn't blitz when he saw open field. Vince collapsed pockets. He actually did what a NT is paid to do.