NFL Quarterback Scramble

[BigKen]

I personally like the idea of signing a vet like Fitzpatrick or Dalton over drafting a QB, unless we are moving on from Lock. Of the QBs in this draft I like Wilson the best of those likely going in the first round.

I actually like the idea of trying to trade back from 9 to accumulate additional picks (preferably at least 1 in 2022 to have additional ammo to move up for a QB if we are looking for a QB in 2022 draft) and drafting a guy like Jaycee Horn. One thing that Paton has talked about is building the war chest to have versatility in the draft, so I think this might actually fairly likely if we do not trade 9 for Watson. With Parson's character concerns he might fall to later in the draft too. Remember the last LB we took that slipped in the draft due to concerns? Shane Ray was ok, but not what we had hopped. He has now moved on to the Canadian Football League.

If we pass on a QB in the draft this year, I have heard some really like Sam Howell.

Hi Guys.....see the carousel is turning for the Broncs too. At least you Lock. Would you rather have Cam Newton?
Nearly 3000 miles east, we're beating the hell out of the QB piks on a daily basis. Everyone has an opinion as to what he thinks is best and 90% us will be pissed as hell on April23that our guy was passed.

I saw Howell play three times this year and he's got the tools and in my opinion, the head to go with them. Problem is that he's going back to NC to finish his degree and and play football next fall.

QB availability is going to depend on what happens first with the Jets. If they want to pick up Wilson, they can't have Darnold on their roster or they won't get squat for him after the draft.

Let's assume the worst case:

Jags - Lawrence
Jets - Wilson
Falcons - Trask/Fields
Panthers - Fields Trask

Is it worth the cost to trade up to and take a chance that Trask/Lance/Fields is another Lock or Tebot or Ryan Leaf? At #9 There are some really good kids who have totally ignored like Kellen Miond, Ehlinger, Mac Jones, Jaimie Newman, Costello. The biggest problem for us, is that the TV and radio heads keep putting the same names forward because they're too lazy to do the homework.

My Patriots are picking 15thand QB is all that's talked about. I'm in a small minority that says, We have stidham, who never got a fair chance to do anything. Wait until the third round and get a Costello or a Felipe Franks and with the $62M in cap money, sign a Fitzpatrick to work with both.
I think that cap number will explode up when Belichick trades Stephon Gilmore ($17M) and cuts/trades Marcus Cannon ($9M).

i think the Cowboys will franchise Dak and then Bill will swoop in and trade Gilmore to the Cowboys and bring Dak to NE for a year and try to extend him. Belichick loves broken toys.

 

[fightinredantz]

From what I am hearing the Cowboys are going to Franchise Dak because per Benjamin Albright you can not negotiate with a play that played under the franchise tag until the start of the new year. Expect the Broncos to franchise Simmons as well.

I would not be surprised to see Dak as a free agent next year, but you might be right that the Cowboys trade him to get something instead of letting him walk for nothing.

 

[CEH]

Just me but Feel like Lock and his family think he’s entitled .
I just know fangio won’t survive mid season if they start 0-3 again and a long shot for a WC

 

[fightinredantz]

Just me but Feel like Lock and his family think he’s entitled .
I just know fangio won’t survive mid season if they start 0-3 again and a long shot for a WC

What would be the incentive to move on from Fangio mid-season? His contract is up at the end of the year anyway so you could just choose to go another direction then.

I heard a rumor that Paton really likes Fangio and it might not be a foregone conclusion that he will not return if the team does not make the playoffs. Not sure if there is any truth to it. Not sure I would want Fangio back if this team is not .500 or better in 2021. At some point you have to start winning.

I do think this team is in better position now the at the end of the Vance Joseph era. The team needs to start winning or there will likely be some changes to the roster and coaching staff.

 

[iknowftbll]

What would be the incentive to move on from Fangio mid-season? His contract is up at the end of the year anyway so you could just choose to go another direction then.

I heard a rumor that Paton really likes Fangio and it might not be a foregone conclusion that he will not return if the team does not make the playoffs. Not sure if there is any truth to it. Not sure I would want Fangio back if this team is not .500 or better in 2021. At some point you have to start winning.

I do think this team is in better position now the at the end of the Vance Joseph era. The team needs to start winning or there will likely be some changes to the roster and coaching staff.

Fangio was 7-9 in his first year and that was saddled with Joe Flacco to start out. 2020 I literally toss out as a "doesn't count" so Fangio and Lock and anyone else who underperformed get a mulligan for now. 2020 was a glorified preseason as far as I'm concerned. Let's see if Lock can emerge as the leader we need him to be and if Fangio is the HC we need. I hope so. I like Fangio and would love to see him work out for us.

 

[fightinredantz]

Fangio was 7-9 in his first year and that was saddled with Joe Flacco to start out. 2020 I literally toss out as a "doesn't count" so Fangio and Lock and anyone else who underperformed get a mulligan for now. 2020 was a glorified preseason as far as I'm concerned. Let's see if Lock can emerge as the leader we need him to be and if Fangio is the HC we need. I hope so. I like Fangio and would love to see him work out for us.

I agree.

 

[CEH]

It’s starting 0-3 for 3 straight years would be the reason. Almost impossible to make the playoffs at 0-3 so you are basically out of contention by Oct 1

 

[iknowftbll]

It’s starting 0-3 for 3 straight years would be the reason. Almost impossible to make the playoffs at 0-3 so you are basically out of contention by Oct 1

I do agree. Another 0-3 start is not acceptable. Honestly, even though I wouldn't panic at 0-1 even, but after the way this team has started the past couple years winning in weeks 1 and 2 would go a long way toward setting up the team for a successful season.

 

[Mingo]

I agree - I really like Fangio, but he's got a new GM - so it is a make or break year for him as a HC - no matter how much I like him - and that is how it should be.

 

[Orange Crush77]

I think Paton makes a move for Cousins. What’s the word @cdumler7 ?

 

[fightinredantz]

If you were George Paton what would you do?

I would make some small tweaks here and there to fill holes, but largely take the year to evaluate the organization as a whole, scouting, coaching, and players. How bad will he look if he makes a big splash and it bombs?

Next year there maybe big moves after he makes his own evaluation.

 

[CEH]

The NFL is set up for every team to be 8-8
It’s not that hard to be 8-8 with an average starter like they Teddy Bridgwater types

Paton is smart enough to know you need a top QB to break out of the 8-8 pack. Being a first year GM really doesn’t have any bearing on what he thinks of Watson.

I’m all in on Watson I hope Paton is as well.

 

[fightinredantz]

The NFL is set up for every team to be 8-8
It’s not that hard to be 8-8 with an average starter like they Teddy Bridgwater types

Paton is smart enough to know you need a top QB to break out of the 8-8 pack. Being a first year GM really doesn’t have any bearing on what he thinks of Watson.

I’m all in on Watson I hope Paton is as well.

Watson is a very good QB, but either there was something missing in Houston with a 1-3 playoff record, and only 4 wins last year. Hopkins was a fantastic talent that helped that offense and team go. They were the 13th best in yards per game last year and 19th in points per game (3.8 more then the Broncos averaged). The Texans were 14th in points per game in 2019 averaging 23.6 and that was with Hopkins. We have been saying that to beat the Chiefs we need to score 30.

Don't get me wrong if the Broncos trade for Watson it will be really fun, and he is an exciting player to watch. I hope what ever happens the Broncos are much more efficient on offense.

We will see if the the Texans decide to make him available and if so how that plays out.

 

[CEH]

Watson is a very good QB, but either there was something missing in Houston with a 1-3 playoff record, and only 4 wins last year. Hopkins was a fantastic talent that helped that offense and team go. They were the 13th best in yards per game last year and 19th in points per game (3.8 more then the Broncos averaged). The Texans were 14th in points per game in 2019 averaging 23.6 and that was with Hopkins. We have been saying that to beat the Chiefs we need to score 30.

Don't get me wrong if the Broncos trade for Watson it will be really fun, and he is an exciting player to watch. I hope what ever happens the Broncos are much more efficient on offense.

We will see if the the Texans decide to make him available and if so how that plays out.

Peyton Manning was 0-3 in playoffs sandwiched between an 6-10 season 1999-2002. 5 years into his career

 

[fightinredantz]

Peyton Manning was 0-3 in playoffs sandwiched between an 6-10 season 1999-2002. 5 years into his career

As great as Peyton was he only made it to 4 Super Bowls and won 2 of them. All the more evidence that you need more then a high flying offense, especially in the playoffs.

 

[CEH]

As great as Peyton was he only made it to 4 Super Bowls and won 2 of them. All the more evidence that you need more then a high flying offense, especially in the playoffs.

That why we have the best defensive mind in the business
Offense is for the reg season to get you into the playoffs and then it’s Vic’s time to shine

 

[fightinredantz]

That why we have the best defensive mind in the business
Offense is for the reg season to get you into the playoffs and then it’s Vic’s time to shine

At the end of 2020 season Vic did all he could, but the defense was undermanned. The best coaching can only go so far when the talent is not there.

I understand that talent can be found in the mid to late rounds but it is much if you are relying on hitting on 3rd and 4th round picks to rebuild the defense it maybe a slow go. For every DreMont Jones and Justin Simmons there are many Issaac Yiadom, Carlos Henderson, or Brendon Langley type picks. If the Broncos decide to pull the trigger on the Watson trade and are the highest bidder we are putting a ton of pressure on Paton and the scouting department. Making a trade for Watson likely defines Paton’s legacy as a GM, if he pulls that trigger then he better be right.

Would you put that pressure on yourself in the first 4-5 months of an new job?

If Watson comes here it will be very exciting, but if we are being realistic I don’t think the odds are high for that to happen. I think there are more desperate teams for a QB then the Broncos right now and Houston still believes they can salvage the relationship (I don’t know that I agree with that based on what I have heard and read). It sounds like both sides are pretty dug in.

 

[Clayton]

I wouldn't be shocked if you guys got calls to trade down if Smith, Waddle, Chase or Pitts is still on the board. Denver trades down, get a good pick in next year's draft for doing so, still ends up getting a top 3 CB.

Lock and a vet challenging him. If Lock doesn't pan out, Denver has a defense in place and the draft capital to get a top QB in 2022. That's my guess.

 

[cdumler7]

I wouldn't be shocked if you guys got calls to trade down if Smith, Waddle, Chase or Pitts is still on the board. Denver trades down, get a good pick in next year's draft for doing so, still ends up getting a top 3 CB.

Lock and a vet challenging him. If Lock doesn't pan out, Denver has a defense in place and the draft capital to get a top QB in 2022. That's my guess.

My big issue with this is the 2022 QB class looks very meh to me. Howell looks decent but his tools don't jump off the page like the top-4 guys of this upcoming draft. Rattler is being talked about in the Johnny Manziel when it comes to personality type. Those are the top-2 guys on most boards and neither of them would crack my top-4 of this draft. Now someone can come out of nowhere but then we are also talking about needing to be in the top-5 of the draft. Lock isn't a guy that I like all that much but he is good enough for this team to win enough and hover in that 6 to 9 type win season meaning not usually a top-10 pick.

 

[cdumler7]

So is it a foregone conclusion Lock won't be around? It really seems premature to give up on him, Carl's reports of him goofing off not withstanding. Manning seems to think he's legit. I honestly don't care who our QB is as long as we're winning again. I like the idea of Watson because again, he's a young guy who has "face of the league" potential and in this era that can make a huge difference in a questionable call. (Sorry not sorry, the league has created this.) A young "face of the league" QB on an offense that can score a bunch and the Broncos will be contenders again, defensive decline or not.

I think the odds are still in Lock's favor to be the guy starting this upcoming season. And those things I reported on yes they are upset with him about it, but there are still some believers in that organization that think Lock can turn into something. The tools are there to be a top-10 QB. We have seen lately that the top guys to come out of the draft fit two areas...1) They have some great tools. Not all the same tools but something athletically that sets them apart and 2) High character traits in leadership/work ethic.

It is why for me Trey Lance is quickly moving up my board. No other top QB in this draft have I heard more about when it comes to work ethic and character than him. Throw in then the insane tools and it sets up well for him to be a strong player in the NFL if he goes to the right situation.