2019-20 Quest for the cup(The Carter Hart era begins)

[awaz]

I never let being clueless stop me from making predictions.... Fletcher is done with the moves and will quietly pick at #11

This is my thought too. In all of his statements to this point, he seems to think they're going to get a good player at #11 and doesn't want to move it.

I worry that they reach for a d-man at #11 because that's what the system 'needs'. Seems to me that it's very likely a forward is the best player available by a good bit at 11, so hopefully that's what they do.

 

[mall3013]

I smell a big trade tonight

what do you think goes down?

 

[chy1127]

This is my thought too. In all of his statements to this point, he seems to think they're going to get a good player at #11 and doesn't want to move it.

I worry that they reach for a d-man at #11 because that's what the system 'needs'. Seems to me that it's very likely a forward is the best player available by a good bit at 11, so hopefully that's what they do.

I read somewhere, will try to find it, that Fletcher's draft still was based on need, not best player available. The article continued that he realized that drafting the best player available is the way to go. Hopefully the article was correct.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Flyers already having worrisome start to offseason
Guess I wasn't the only one who thinks we had a shitty off season.

 

[chy1127]

Anybody realize Hayes is 6-5, 220 lbs?

 

[awaz]

I read somewhere, will try to find it, that Fletcher's draft still was based on need, not best player available. The article continued that he realized that drafting the best player available is the way to go. Hopefully the article was correct.

Yep! Fingers crossed! Seems like Broberg might be projected to go in that range. He's a big boom/bust guy that I would be somewhat OK with them drafting. But Fletcher/Flahr have talked a lot about drafting for hockey sense, which is where Broberg has some work to do.

Seems to me like there's a pretty consensus top 12 or 13. Hughes and Kakko will go 1-2. Turcotte, Byram, Zegras seem to be pretty consensus to go top 10. But then it opens up a bit with Broberg, Boldy, Caufield, Krebs, Podkolzin, Cozens, and Dach. My hope is the Flyers just do the smart thing and take one of those guys though. At least one will be available at 11.

 

[awaz]

Anybody realize Hayes is 6-5, 220 lbs?

Yup! Flyers are actually pretty big down the middle now. Coots is 6-3, 210. Patrick is 6-2, 200. Hayes is 6-5, 220. Laughton is the runt at 6-1, 200.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Anybody realize Hayes is 6-5, 220 lbs?

And soft as medicated cotton.

 

[awaz]

Flyers already having worrisome start to offseason
Guess I wasn't the only one who thinks we had a shitty off season.

Two things on this:

he contract Fletcher gave him, however, was universally panned because it’s too much money (by about a million and a half bucks), too many years (by two)

I agree that it's too much money, but every single player that gets signed as a UFA gets too much money. If you don't want to give them too much, then you don't sign any. Period.

This is the kind of price you pay for a guy who hits the open market and Hayes, y’know, didn’t

That's also not true. Sure he didn't get to July 1st, but it's not like he was re-signing with the Flyers. Hayes knows the bidding war is coming and he's not taking a home-town discount for a team that had his rights for 2 weeks. If the Flyers want him, they have to bid high for him. Did they pay a few hundred K too much? Maybe, but who's to say if he gets to the negotiating period that someone doesn't offer him 7x7.5?

 

[awaz]

Obviously doing a lot of defending Fletcher here, but I want it to be known that I'm not in love with these moves. But I see the logic behind them. And I definitely don't think it's been a shitty offseason. The Flyers got better and did so without losing any of the prized assets.

It would have been tough (and very expensive) for the Flyers to look like a bonafide cup contender in one summer under Fletcher. He improved the team, and will keep trying to improve the team.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Two things on this:

he contract Fletcher gave him, however, was universally panned because it’s too much money (by about a million and a half bucks), too many years (by two)

I agree that it's too much money, but every single player that gets signed as a UFA gets too much money. If you don't want to give them too much, then you don't sign any. Period.

This is the kind of price you pay for a guy who hits the open market and Hayes, y’know, didn’t

That's also not true. Sure he didn't get to July 1st, but it's not like he was re-signing with the Flyers. Hayes knows the bidding war is coming and he's not taking a home-town discount for a team that had his rights for 2 weeks. If the Flyers want him, they have to bid high for him. Did they pay a few hundred K too much? Maybe, but who's to say if he gets to the negotiating period that someone doesn't offer him 7x7.5?

The money for me isnt really the issue as much as the length. Dude just doesn't do nothing for me. He is JVR 2.0 lazy on the back check etc.

 

[awaz]

The money for me isnt really the issue as much as the length. Dude just doesn't do nothing for me. He is JVR 2.0 lazy on the back check etc.

I don't like the length either. I would've preferred 5 years.

I definitely don't agree that he's JvR 2.0 and lazy on the back check though. He's a two-way center, I expect he'll be reliable defensively with less pop offensively.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Obviously doing a lot of defending Fletcher here, but I want it to be known that I'm not in love with these moves. But I see the logic behind them. And I definitely don't think it's been a shitty offseason. The Flyers got better and did so without losing any of the prized assets.

It would have been tough (and very expensive) for the Flyers to look like a bonafide cup contender in one summer under Fletcher. He improved the team, and will keep trying to improve the team.

I would of rather he just went out and got aanother good dman for the Hayes contract. Let some of our youth start playing and see what we have. We aint getting to the cup with the moves we made so why cripple ourselves with these contracts.

 

[awaz]

I would of rather he just went out and got aanother good dman for the Hayes contract. Let some of our youth start playing and see what we have. We aint getting to the cup with the moves we made so why cripple ourselves with these contracts.

I guess that's where we differ and why I'm OK with it. To me, far and away the Flyers biggest need was a 2C. So I'm OK with them overspending a bit to address that. Especially in lieu of trading assets for one.

 

[purdue81]

I guess that's where we differ and why I'm OK with it. To me, far and away the Flyers biggest need was a 2C. So I'm OK with them overspending a bit to address that. Especially in lieu of trading assets for one.

. I like the Niskanen / Braun moves. Very short term investment to take their experience and hopefully drive that into our youngsters. Particularly Niskanen; "knows what good looks like" even if he can't do it anymore. He can be an extra on-ice and in the locker room coach. Extract all you can from him over the next two years then discard him like an empty beer can. He can speed up the development of the young guys better than any bench coach. Think about it. Without Niskanen, exactly who would the young guys try to emulate ? Can't do it from tapes.

So Flyers get some marginal improve now; and more rapid development of the next generation, with a short term investment.

 

[raptorlife4]

 

[wbon22]

Who else is getting antsy?
So many question marks with the RFA's, so many older players aquired eating up cap space.

Fletcher just doesn't strike me as having a long term vision for the franchise.

 

[purdue81]

Who else is getting antsy?
So many question marks with the RFA's, so many older players aquired eating up cap space.

Fletcher just doesn't strike me as having a long term vision for the franchise.

IMHO Fletcher has taken a very measured approach to build on the youth that Hextall brought into the organization. He hasn't mortgaged the future on stupid shiny object free agents. My bigger concern is Vignault ... which is a Fletcher decision as well. I need to investigate Yeo a little more to see if I feel he will have a positive impact on the overall coaching capability brought to the organization

 

[purdue81]

St. Louis Blues: Just how bad was Mike Yeo as head coach?

Awe shit

 

[purdue81]

St. Louis Blues: Just how bad was Mike Yeo as head coach?

Awe shit

defense and PK is about discipline and understanding roles The opposite of the description of Yeo