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If you want a Super Bowl QB, Let’s talk about the Salary Cap and where to draft one!

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Let me start with saying RGIII was not worth what the organization gave up for him, they made a huge mistake offering up that sort of draft capital.
Also, even before his injury he was limited with what plays he could run, and was clearly immature. He had an awesome season derailed by injury and that was the end of it......However i'm rather surprised by some of the post that suggest the skins would be better off if Cousins were still here in DC. Based on what he's done with the Vikings, he's still mainly a stats magician, he's still a choker and still hasn't lived up to his lofty contract despite the elite weapons he has in Minn. please tell me something other than the defense being BAD as to why he can't get to a superbowl
 

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I included Russell and Warner in my summary of method #2, Nick was a one-timer!

However, I really don't mind doing this again

There have been 28 SBs since the start of the salary cap era (1994) and among them, these are the guys that were 3rd round QBs or later...

1. Stan Humphries (Round: 6 / Pick SB app. 1995
2. Neil O’Donnell (Round: 3 / Pick: 70) SB app. 1996
3. Chris Chandler ( Round: 3 / Pick: 76) SB app. 1999
4. Kurt Warner (Undrafted) SB app. 2000, 2002, 2009
5. Brad Johnson (Round: 9 / Pick: 227) Sb app. 2003
6. Rich Gannon ( Round: 4 / Pick: 98) SB app. 2003
7. Jake Delhomme ( Undrafted) SB app. 2004
8. Matt Hasselbeck ( Round: 6 / Pick: 187) SB app. 2006
9. Russell Wilson ( Round: 3 / Pick: 75) SB app. 2014, 2015
10. Nick Foles ( Round: 3 / Pick: 88) SB app. 2018

***11. Tom Brady ( Round 6/ Pick 199 The outlier) appeared in SBs 2002, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2012, 2015,2017, 2018, 2019, 2021

This totals out to 11 different QBs 3rd round or lower who have played in the SB during this era.
Russell Wilson 2014, 2015 and Kurt Warner 2000, 2002, and 2009 were the ONLY repeat visitors to the big game from this group.


Of the players who were 1st or early 2nd rounders playing in the big game since 1994, we have...

1. Steve Young (1st supplemental) Pre-Cap SB app.1990 Post Cap app. 1995
2. Troy Aikman (1st overall) Pre-Cap SB app1993, Post cap app.1994, 1996
3. Brett Favre’ (Round: 2 / Pick: 33) Post-cap app 1997, 1998
4. Drew Bledsoe (1st overall) Post-cap app. 1997
5. John Elway (1st overall) Pre-Cap SB app.1987,1988,1990 Post-cap app. 1998, 1999
6. Steve McNair ( Round: 1 / Pick: 3) Post-cap app. 2000
7. Trent Dilfer (Round: 1 / Pick: 6) Post-cap app. 2001
8. Kerry Collins ( Round: 1 / Pick: 5) Post-cap app. 2001
9. Donavan McNabb ( Round: 1 / Pick: 2) Post-cap app. 2005
10. Ben Roethlisberger (Round: 1 / Pick: 11) Post-cap app. 2006,2009, 2011
11. Peyton Manning (1st Overall) Post-cap app. 2007, 2010, 2014, 2016
12. Rex Grossman ( Round: 1 / Pick: 22) Post-cap app. 2007
13. Eli Manning (1st Overall) Post-cap app. 2008, 2012
14. Drew Brees (Round: 2 / Pick: 32) Post-cap app. 2010
15. Aaron Rodgers (Round: 1 / Pick 24) Post-cap app. 2011
16. Joe Flacco ( Round: 1 / Pick: 18) Post-cap app. 2013
17. Colin Kaepernick (Round: 2 / Pick: 36) Post-cap app. 2013
18. Cam Newton (1st Overall) Post-cap app. 2016
19. Matt Ryan (Round: 1 / Pick: 3) Post-cap app. 2017
20. Jared Goff (1st Overall) Post-cap app. 2019
21. Patrick Mahomes (Round: 1 / Pick: 10) Post-cap app. 2020, 2021
22. Jimmy Garoppolo (Round: 2 / Pick: 62) Post-cap app. 2020
23. Matthew Stafford (1st Overall) Post-cap app. 2022
24. Joe Burrow (1st Overall) Post-cap app. 2022

This totals out to 24 different first or early-second round QB who have played in the SB during this era.
Aikman, Favre, Elway, Roethlisberger, P. Manning, E. Manning, and Mahomes were all repeat visitors to the big game out of this group.

11/35 = 31% (3rd round or lower)

24/35 = 69% (1st round or early 2nd round)

It's important to note of the low round picks only Johnson ( insane defense), Russ, Warner and nick foles won titles

Teams actually carried to the title by these guys are Warner and Russ.
 

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Sty you have no clue about me and never have. You think you do but you are mostly wrong. On that note I am out. You are not worth my time.
Cute...

So some that I know would let you wallow in your own emotional shit, but I won't, I'm going to do something here that just might surprise even you.

Adult human beings have every right to join and express themselves in an open forum which by its nature gives some insight into who we are and what motivates us. Personalities are often reflected on social media as are these extensions of the same... extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, openness, creativity, intellectualism, or on the more shallow end, neuroticism, moodiness, and anxiety.

I accept the personal jab that comes with "not being worth your time," I understand where it comes from and why you felt a need to say so. However, not being one to act on emotional exchanges I won't return fire, instead, I'll tell you that, tiffs aside, I still respect you and will continue to read your posts, respect your point of view and give due deference to what you have to express. We can agree, disagree, be disagreeable, and even downright nasty toward one another but at the end of the day, we're all here for one purpose, one team and I don't believe that has changed.
 
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Let me start with saying RGIII was not worth what the organization gave up for him, they made a huge mistake offering up that sort of draft capital.
Also, even before his injury he was limited with what plays he could run, and was clearly immature. He had an awesome season derailed by injury and that was the end of it......However i'm rather surprised by some of the post that suggest the skins would be better off if Cousins were still here in DC. Based on what he's done with the Vikings, he's still mainly a stats magician, he's still a choker and still hasn't lived up to his lofty contract despite the elite weapons he has in Minn. please tell me something other than the defense being BAD as to why he can't get to a superbowl
I only say we would be better off in the sense that he is better than anyone to play the position here since he left and that we have given up multiple high draft picks to acquire Alex smith and wentz. mant of these picks would be starting for us now, maybe in the OL, or CB or LB. So this team would be stronger if we would have never had to make those trades.
 

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Let me start with saying RGIII was not worth what the organization gave up for him, they made a huge mistake offering up that sort of draft capital.
Also, even before his injury he was limited with what plays he could run, and was clearly immature. He had an awesome season derailed by injury and that was the end of it......However i'm rather surprised by some of the post that suggest the skins would be better off if Cousins were still here in DC. Based on what he's done with the Vikings, he's still mainly a stats magician, he's still a choker and still hasn't lived up to his lofty contract despite the elite weapons he has in Minn. please tell me something other than the defense being BAD as to why he can't get to a superbowl
Do I have to point out how many HOF qbs didn’t go to a superbowl ?
 

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Having trouble with my phone but let me say this....that is a satisfying response i can understand, from that angle it makes total sense. Typically, its the you can't have one without the other convo with RG3 and Cousins. Thanks, I've been enlightened.
 

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Do I have to point out how many HOF qbs didn’t go to a superbowl ?





















Respectfully, i don't think that has relevance To Cousins. At least not yet. Also, i have a better understanding on the Cousins fandom based on J_Y19's post. I just wasn't getting the "things would be much much better" if Cousins was here theme.

 

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KC had a league high 7 comeback wins this season . Hard to call a guy a choker when he does that .
 

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It was actually 9 including the largest ever comeback in the NFL against Indy

Vikings comebacks in 2022​

WeekOpponentLargest 2nd half deficitFinal score
3Detroit Lions10 points28-24
4New Orleans Saints3 points28-25
5Chicago Bears1 point 29-22
8Arizona Cardinals3 points34-26
9Washington Commanders10 points20-17
10Buffalo Bills17 points33-30 (OT)
12New England Patriots7 points33-26
15Indianapolis Colts33 points39-36 (OT)
16New York Giants3 points27-24
 

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Sty you have no clue about me and never have. You think you do but you are mostly wrong. On that note I am out. You are not worth my time.

This seems to be a pattern for you.
 

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Cap 224.8M
Wentz cut puts us at 32M +
A few more cuts which I expect should push us closer to 40M.
 

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KC had a league high 7 comeback wins this season . Hard to call a guy a choker when he does that .

How many NFC conference championships in his career? i think that's more important, but if comeback wins are better than that, then you win
 

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It was actually 9 including the largest ever comeback in the NFL against Indy

Vikings comebacks in 2022​

WeekOpponentLargest 2nd half deficitFinal score
3Detroit Lions10 points28-24
4New Orleans Saints3 points28-25
5Chicago Bears1 point29-22
8Arizona Cardinals3 points34-26
9Washington Commanders10 points20-17
10Buffalo Bills17 points33-30 (OT)
12New England Patriots7 points33-26
15Indianapolis Colts33 points39-36 (OT)
16New York Giants3 points27-24

how many playoff comeback wins this year?
 

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How many NFC conference championships in his career? i think that's more important, but if comeback wins are better than that, then you win
How many HOF qbs never led a team to a conference championship ?
 

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Jurgensen remains one of only 3 Hall of Fame quarterbacks to have never been to a Super Bowl and the only one never to start a playoff game.
What about before super bowls ?
 
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