Your Top 25 MLB Players of All-Time

[BallsOfFurry]

1. His longevity and durability is a big reason why he got all those wins. Which I already said shouldn't be overlooked.
2. Not even close to the biggest hitter's era in history. The league ERA from 1946-1963 was 3.91. The 30s and late 90s were bigger hitter's eras.
3. Post WW2 I would take Seaver, Clemens, Maddux, Johnson, Pedro, and then Spahn.

He played in the era most of the top HR hitters and best overall hitters played in.
The PEDs era of the 90s lasted just 5 years.
His career was far superior to Johnson's and Pedro's. Clemens cheated, that leaves my top 3, Spahn, Maddux and Seaver.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

And usually in baseball, the "modern era" is considered 1901 (formation of the AL) to the present. In which case, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, and Pete Alexander all had more wins. If you mean post-WW2 than fine.

Not really. most consider the real modern era as beginning with integration.

 

[soxfan1468927]

He played in the era most of the top HR hitters and best overall hitters played in.
The PEDs era of the 90s lasted just 5 years.
His career was far superior to Johnson's and Pedro's. Clemens cheated, that leaves my top 3, Spahn, Maddux and Seaver.

1. Like who?
2. It was still a more offensive era, and so were the 30s.
3. Disagree on your first sentence and I don't care about steroids.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

The greatest lefty pitcher ever and second best righty doesn't make your top 25

Lefty Grove was the best starting pitcher ever, lefty or righty.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Not really. most consider the real modern era as beginning with integration.

I wouldn't say most. Usually people just call that "post-integration" like they call 1961-present "post expansion".

 

[UK Cowboy]

Who are you referring to?

Koufax and Mathewson

 

[BallsOfFurry]

1. Like who?
2. It was still a more offensive era, and so were the 30s.
3. Disagree on your first sentence and I don't care about steroids.

Like who ?
Williams
Aaron
Mayes
Mantle
Musial
Frank Robinson
Dimaggio (bad spelling)
The Braves great 3rd baseman
I'll come up with more, but those are all time great power hitters, Spahn faced them all regularly.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

I wouldn't say most. Usually people just call that "post-integration" like they call 1961-present "post expansion".

WRONG. ( Insert Trump pouty face)

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think Morgan's peak was better as far as best 2 years (1975/1976). Collins though, had an 18 season prime with a 146 wRC+. He was top 5 in OPS+ in 8 straight seasons, 9 overall. Morgan accomplished that 4 times.

I care more about how they rank amongst their peers... and care more about magnitude than longevity...

I also will rank different stats differently for different style of player...


The most important stat for both of these players is OBP, as both are top of the lineup guys...

Morgan lead the majors 4 times, was top 10 11 times and top 5 8 times

Collins never lead the league, was top 10 18 times, top 5 14 times

Even though that doesn't really prove my point at all, I do prefer a player who was the BEST more often... and Morgan was better amongst his peers than Collins was... Sure Collins was better longer...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Trout might not be in top 25 yet but he is easily in the top 50...

 

[soxfan1468927]

Like who ?
Williams
Aaron
Mayes
Mantle
Musial
Frank Robinson
Dimaggio (bad spelling)
The Braves great 3rd baseman
I'll come up with more, but those are all time great power hitters, Spahn faced them all regularly.

Spahn faced them regularly?

1. Never faced Williams or DiMaggio.
2. Faced Mantle just 22 times
3. Faced Aaron and Mathews just 7 times as they mostly played on the same team
4. Faced Musial and Mays a lot, and they both batted over .300 against him and their OPS against Musial was better than their career OPS
5. Robinson is the only great hitter who he faced regularly who didn't hit him too well, just an .820 OPS.

Not sure how those guys help your point.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Koufax and Mathewson

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

 

[soxfan1468927]

I care more about how they rank amongst their peers... and care more about magnitude than longevity...

I also will rank different stats differently for different style of player...


The most important stat for both of these players is OBP, as both are top of the lineup guys...

Morgan lead the majors 4 times, was top 10 11 times and top 5 8 times

Collins never lead the league, was top 10 18 times, top 5 14 times

Even though that doesn't really prove my point at all, I do prefer a player who was the BEST more often... and Morgan was better amongst his peers than Collins was... Sure Collins was better longer...

Yeah I would take the top 10 18 times and top 5 14 times. But I think we are debating the 2nd and 3rd best at their positions all time anyway.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

Not gonna argue with clueless

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty Grove is was the best starting pitcher PERIOD of all time.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty Grove is was the best starting pitcher PERIOD of all time.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty Grove is was the best starting pitcher PERIOD of all time.

 

[Voltaire26]

Trout might not be in top 25 yet but he is easily in the top 50...

Trout is a bad ass .... I almost put him on my all time team. Before his career is over he'll probably get there.

 

[UK Cowboy]

No way, Lefty Grove is was the best starting pitcher PERIOD of all time.

From the man who thinks Willie's last name is Mayes LMAO

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty G

Spahn faced them regularly?

1. Never faced Williams or DiMaggio.
2. Faced Mantle just 22 times
3. Faced Aaron and Mathews just 7 times as they mostly played on the same team
4. Faced Musial and Mays a lot, and they both batted over .300 against him and their OPS against Musial was better than their career OPS
5. Robinson is the only great hitter who he faced regularly who didn't hit him too well, just an .820 OPS.

Not sure how those guys help your point.

While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.