Your Top 25 MLB Players of All-Time

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty G

Spahn faced them regularly?

1. Never faced Williams or DiMaggio.
2. Faced Mantle just 22 times
3. Faced Aaron and Mathews just 7 times as they mostly played on the same team
4. Faced Musial and Mays a lot, and they both batted over .300 against him and their OPS against Musial was better than their career OPS
5. Robinson is the only great hitter who he faced regularly who didn't hit him too well, just an .820 OPS.

Not sure how those guys help your point.

While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty G

Spahn faced them regularly?

1. Never faced Williams or DiMaggio.
2. Faced Mantle just 22 times
3. Faced Aaron and Mathews just 7 times as they mostly played on the same team
4. Faced Musial and Mays a lot, and they both batted over .300 against him and their OPS against Musial was better than their career OPS
5. Robinson is the only great hitter who he faced regularly who didn't hit him too well, just an .820 OPS.

Not sure how those guys help your point.

While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty G

Spahn faced them regularly?

1. Never faced Williams or DiMaggio.
2. Faced Mantle just 22 times
3. Faced Aaron and Mathews just 7 times as they mostly played on the same team
4. Faced Musial and Mays a lot, and they both batted over .300 against him and their OPS against Musial was better than their career OPS
5. Robinson is the only great hitter who he faced regularly who didn't hit him too well, just an .820 OPS.

Not sure how those guys help your point.

While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Koufax is not the best lefty ever, not close. And I was half-expecting you to say Nolan Ryan.

No way, Lefty G

Spahn faced them regularly?

1. Never faced Williams or DiMaggio.
2. Faced Mantle just 22 times
3. Faced Aaron and Mathews just 7 times as they mostly played on the same team
4. Faced Musial and Mays a lot, and they both batted over .300 against him and their OPS against Musial was better than their career OPS
5. Robinson is the only great hitter who he faced regularly who didn't hit him too well, just an .820 OPS.

Not sure how those guys help your point.

While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Won more games than any other pitcher since pre-WWII
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

 

[soxfan1468927]

No way, Lefty G


While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Won more games than any other pitcher since pre-WWII
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

Everything I posted was a fact. Why would he face Williams or DiMaggio when they played in opposite leagues and there was no interleague play? Why would he face Aaron or Mathews when almost his whole career they were teammates? Only time he faced Mantle was the 1957 and 1958 World Series

 

[BallsOfFurry]

And I probably should have had A-Rod somewhere on my list. However, I painted myself in a corner because I have Maddux/Johnson as 24/25 and I don't want to push one off the list because I like putting them right next to each other. Two similar results, two completely different styles.

A-Rod is the only player known to have used PEDs his entire career, and maybe the worst teammate of all time. no thanks. If he went to war his own men would kill him before the week was out.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Trout is a bad ass .... I almost put him on my all time team. Before his career is over he'll probably get there.

LOL... Here is the craziest stat I just found... The "Black ink test", which is a baseball reference HOF meter that only ranks a player when he leads the league at a certain stat... He already has 27 points which ranks 69th of all time and the average HOFer is tied with 27...

 

[soxfan1468927]

No way, Lefty G


While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Won more games than any other pitcher since pre-WWII
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

And you can check his baseball reference page for his vs Batter stats against Mays, Musial, and Robinson

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Everything I posted was a fact. Why would he face Williams or DiMaggio when they played in opposite leagues and there was no interleague play? Why would he face Aaron or Mathews when almost his whole career they were teammates? Only time he faced Mantle was the 1957 and 1958 World Series

Spahn played in 2 World Series against The Yankees.
His career stats are concrete, I'll use them for reference.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Spahn played in 2 World Series against The Yankees.
His career stats are concrete, I'll use them for reference.

Yes that's the only time he played Mantle. He never faced DiMaggio in a World Series.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

LOL... Here is the craziest stat I just found... The "Black ink test", which is a baseball reference HOF meter that only ranks a player when he leads the league at a certain stat... He already has 27 points which ranks 69th of all time and the average HOFer is tied with 27...

Andruw Jones was the youngest NL player in history to have 300 HRs. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The kid is what, 25, he needs 10 more years of excellent production just to rate The HOF.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Yes that's the only time he played Mantle. He never faced DiMaggio in a World Series.

You're anal on this. Spahn's career was as good or better than any starting pitcher in the modern era, the stats don't lie.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

And you can check his baseball reference page for his vs Batter stats against Mays, Musial, and Robinson

I didn't check those stats on any on my top 25, so ?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Later all, the wife seems to think I promised to cut grass today, I need to be careful what my mouth gets me into..

 

[soxfan1468927]

You're anal on this. Spahn's career was as good or better than any starting pitcher in the modern era, the stats don't lie.

I acknowledged his career. We disagree on how great it is, that's all. I simply responded with your reasonings with facts. I don't know why you would think that he would have faced Williams, DiMaggio, Mantle, Aaron, and Mathews "regularly"

 

[soxfan1468927]

Not gonna argue with clueless

This is why Koufax is the most overrated pitcher ever. I already gave my reasons earlier. Feel free to respond to those

 

[UK Cowboy]

This is why Koufax is the most overrated pitcher ever. I already gave my reasons earlier. Feel free to respond to those

Clueless

 

[soxfan1468927]

Clueless

You can try to counter my posts earlier in the thread about Koufax.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Andruw Jones was the youngest NL player in history to have 300 HRs. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The kid is what, 25, he needs 10 more years of excellent production just to rate The HOF.

I disagree with you. Very strongly. Trout needs 4 more mediocre years to be a Lock for the HOF.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Lefty Grove was the best starting pitcher ever, lefty or righty.

LMAO