Game Thread: Week 4: Rams (1-2) at Bears (1-2)

[beardown07]

Thats pretty much what Im saying,our oline is so damn bad,I cant believe we took a punter.......and this is not hindsight,I brought this up before the season even started somewhere else,and thus can be confirmed.

Praise the punter,hell ya,he did an outstanding job,but every damn game,Caleb runs for his life,but yet we drafted a punter instead of trenches that we all want....no one wanted a punter.no one even slightly brought up we need a punter.....
We all talked about the trenches,and we still will be sll season.....

Dude, I get it, but fer real...stfu already. What a stupid fucking game to decide to bitch about the fucking punter. Christ dude, the guy will be in contention for Special Teams player of the week. He had, probably the best game by a Bears punter....EVER. So ya, The o-line sucks...but the draft has little to nothing to do with that. Our top o-line pick hasn't even practiced as far as I know?? Top of the 3rd round.

 

[BearsWillWin]

but yet we drafted a punter instead of trenches that we all want.

No, we didn’t. This would only be true if that pick was the only pick we had.

That’s my point.

It wasn’t punter or oline. The #9 pick could have been oline. Any pick the last three years could have been.

To single out this one pick and wanna bitch about it when he’s one of the guys actually doing his job is just kinda silly.

Poles could have used free agency to fix the oline better than he did. He could have avoided losing a pick in the failed Claypool trade. He could have traded for someone better than Bates.

There’s a ton of things to point out that were done wrong. Choosing this one is just off.

 

[richig07]

Dude...We have to win this game. I mean...Come on. But since we lost to, IMO, a far inferior team in Indy (and almost lost to another, at best, equal team in Tennessee) it's more than probable we come out with an L.

If you thought it got ugly with the fans/media this week, look out below if we lose this game.

That all said, it's so important that I have to pick us to find a way.

Bears 23, Rams 17

You made the game-thread and you nearly nailed the final scored, spot on. AND... the Bears won?

You are the anti-Richie. A true winner of a game-thread maker. You shall continue until we see this change!

 

[justanidiot]

Ugly win is better than no win I guess. Still too much swift, but I guess if you dont run him inside for no gain, you will never get the long outside runs. I did not get even in the short yardage run that Ro got the touchdown, why are you pulling your left guard to the right side? Everyone lock up a guy and push him into the end zone. That is what starts getting offensive lines gelling, not a 340 pound guy running in the path of the running back trying to go in a hole he has to pass.
Waldron still wants to break that play long even from the 3 yard line.

Its not the question of was the punter a good 4th round pick, its whether or not he would have still been on the board, but made Poles look like a genius today. Kramer getting some snaps at fullback was also nice to see over a tight end. We could have gotten the 4th ranked center in the draft with that pick, but what would he be doing other than being down on the depth chart as a swing guy anyway.

Yeah, we had enough penalties, but there was a clear shot to the head in the end zone against Stafford that did not get called that would have had them driving.

So here we sit 2 and 2 with a +2 point total point differential with Minnesota looking like the best team in the division. Guess paying a guy top QB money was part of that since they might have been beat if the fudge left Malik at QB

 

[wood20ks]

.stfu already.

Lol.......cmon man,that never works on a message board.......

 

[beardown07]

Ugly win is better than no win I guess. Still too much swift, but I guess if you dont run him inside for no gain, you will never get the long outside runs. I did not get even in the short yardage run that Ro got the touchdown, why are you pulling your left guard to the right side? Everyone lock up a guy and push him into the end zone. That is what starts getting offensive lines gelling, not a 340 pound guy running in the path of the running back trying to go in a hole he has to pass.
Waldron still wants to break that play long even from the 3 yard line.

Its not the question of was the punter a good 4th round pick, its whether or not he would have still been on the board, but made Poles look like a genius today. Kramer getting some snaps at fullback was also nice to see over a tight end. We could have gotten the 4th ranked center in the draft with that pick, but what would he be doing other than being down on the depth chart as a swing guy anyway.

Yeah, we had enough penalties, but there was a clear shot to the head in the end zone against Stafford that did not get called that would have had them driving.

So here we sit 2 and 2 with a +2 point total point differential with Minnesota looking like the best team in the division. Guess paying a guy top QB money was part of that since they might have been beat if the fudge left Malik at QB

I watched that shot to the head multiple times and I'm telling ya, their helmets never touched.

 

[BsGenius]

If i'm reading this right, the idiots wouldn't have minded using our 1st pick to get the punter too. Punter would be doing awesome and we shouldn't be complaining about a single pick.

Also with all the assumptions being made in here why do you assume the punter wouldn't have been there in the 5th round?

Take the trench guy always over a freaking punter. Gawd the idiot nation is strong in here.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

A (semi) defense of Waldron:

DJ Moore shares candid thoughts on Shane Waldron after Week 4 win

Chicago Bears wide receiver D.J. Moore didn't hold back when speaking on offensive coordinator Shane Waldron following the team's Week 4 win against the Rams.

beargoggleson.com

Waldron as OC has been on par with the likes of Getsy the first 3 weeks, but there definitely seemed to be an overall improvement yesterday, both in playcalling and in the execution. Still, the arrow has to continue pointing upward. This is the NFL, not the MLB, NBA, or NHL. You only get 17 games to make your mark. It shouldn't take a quarter of the season to start showing the good stuff.

First and foremost has to be a reduction in penalties, especially the really stupid ones like false starts on our own home field. That's utterly ridiculous. Of course the OL has to play better. And it wouldn't hurt to see some designed rollouts for Williams. Yes, like any solid QB, he has to show he can play within the pocket. But this kid was born to throw off platform while on the scoot - just so long as it's not simply him trying to escape the defensive rush.

 

[justanidiot]

I watched that shot to the head multiple times and I'm telling ya, their helmets never touched.

I thought any contacts with a quarterback in the pocket with hands to the head was enough for a flag. I think Stafford thought it was supposed to be a flag.

At least there were positive moves. I would have liked to see Herbert in the game in the fourth, fresh back against a tired defense, to see if he could run for a few first downs and not even give the ball back. I wonder what the story is with Herbert. I at least thought it was going to be Ro that series.

Swift showed why he is dangerous, had a great game to build on. I guess I just feel they were proving that they made the correct move signing Swift for 2 million more a year that they refused to pay Monty.

 

[BearsWillWin]

If i'm reading this right

Let me assure you….you’re not.

 

[BearsWillWin]

Ugly win is better than no win I guess. Still too much swift, but I guess if you dont run him inside for no gain, you will never get the long outside runs. I did not get even in the short yardage run that Ro got the touchdown, why are you pulling your left guard to the right side? Everyone lock up a guy and push him into the end zone. That is what starts getting offensive lines gelling, not a 340 pound guy running in the path of the running back trying to go in a hole he has to pass.
Waldron still wants to break that play long even from the 3 yard line.

Its not the question of was the punter a good 4th round pick, its whether or not he would have still been on the board, but made Poles look like a genius today. Kramer getting some snaps at fullback was also nice to see over a tight end. We could have gotten the 4th ranked center in the draft with that pick, but what would he be doing other than being down on the depth chart as a swing guy anyway.

Yeah, we had enough penalties, but there was a clear shot to the head in the end zone against Stafford that did not get called that would have had them driving.

So here we sit 2 and 2 with a +2 point total point differential with Minnesota looking like the best team in the division. Guess paying a guy top QB money was part of that since they might have been beat if the fudge left Malik at QB

It’s like Rich typed this but had a stroke in the process.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

If i'm reading this right, the idiots wouldn't have minded using our 1st pick to get the punter too. Punter would be doing awesome and we shouldn't be complaining about a single pick.

Also with all the assumptions being made in here why do you assume the punter wouldn't have been there in the 5th round?

Take the trench guy always over a freaking punter. Gawd the idiot nation is strong in here.

Punter in the first? Hell, I’d trade 2 1st round picks and Caleb Williams for Tory Taylor. We got him for a 4th round pick. That’s a major steal.

 

[richig07]

Ugly win is better than no win I guess. Still too much swift, but I guess if you dont run him inside for no gain, you will never get the long outside runs. I did not get even in the short yardage run that Ro got the touchdown, why are you pulling your left guard to the right side? Everyone lock up a guy and push him into the end zone. That is what starts getting offensive lines gelling, not a 340 pound guy running in the path of the running back trying to go in a hole he has to pass.
Waldron still wants to break that play long even from the 3 yard line.

Its not the question of was the punter a good 4th round pick, its whether or not he would have still been on the board, but made Poles look like a genius today. Kramer getting some snaps at fullback was also nice to see over a tight end. We could have gotten the 4th ranked center in the draft with that pick, but what would he be doing other than being down on the depth chart as a swing guy anyway.

Yeah, we had enough penalties, but there was a clear shot to the head in the end zone against Stafford that did not get called that would have had them driving.

So here we sit 2 and 2 with a +2 point total point differential with Minnesota looking like the best team in the division. Guess paying a guy top QB money was part of that since they might have been beat if the fudge left Malik at QB

There was, in zero way, an illegal shot to the head of Stafford.

 

[richig07]

I thought any contacts with a quarterback in the pocket with hands to the head was enough for a flag. I think Stafford thought it was supposed to be a flag.

At least there were positive moves. I would have liked to see Herbert in the game in the fourth, fresh back against a tired defense, to see if he could run for a few first downs and not even give the ball back. I wonder what the story is with Herbert. I at least thought it was going to be Ro that series.

Swift showed why he is dangerous, had a great game to build on. I guess I just feel they were proving that they made the correct move signing Swift for 2 million more a year that they refused to pay Monty.

The hands went towards Stafford's head because he had been in the air with his hands up, attempting to deflect the pass. It was inadvertent and not forceful contact to the head. Blow to the QB's head resulting in roughing the passer - the contact must be forceful.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Caleb’s improving every week. I think y’all got a good one.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

FWIW, here are the top PFF grades for the Rams game:

Bears top PFF performers from win over Rams

Breaking down PFF’s highest-graded Bears from Sunday’s Week 4 matchup.

www.windycitygridiron.com

Not sure whether or not PFF grades matter, being I couldn't figure out their formulas and how they arrive at their grades in a million years. Mildy, if pleasantly surprised to see Braxton Jones with the 2nd best grade. Considering he had that really dumb PF early in the game, I guess he made up for it with his overall play. Pretty cool to see our UFA dawg Jack Sanborn get honored twice. But I don't know how Brisker wasn't in the top 5, considering he played a pretty damn good game.

 

[wood20ks]

FWIW, here are the top PFF grades for the Rams game:

Bears top PFF performers from win over Rams

Breaking down PFF’s highest-graded Bears from Sunday’s Week 4 matchup.

www.windycitygridiron.com

Not sure whether or not PFF grades matter, being I couldn't figure out their formulas and how they arrive at their grades in a million years. Mildy, if pleasantly surprised to see Braxton Jones with the 2nd best grade. Considering he had that really dumb PF early in the game, I guess he made up for it with his overall play. Pretty cool to see our UFA dawg Jack Sanborn get honored twice. But I don't know how Brisker wasn't in the top 5, considering he played a pretty damn good game.

What is average for an olineman,I see Matt Pryors name at 5 on offense,but not sure if its above or below the average mark..........

 

[beardown07]

FWIW, here are the top PFF grades for the Rams game:

Bears top PFF performers from win over Rams

Breaking down PFF’s highest-graded Bears from Sunday’s Week 4 matchup.

www.windycitygridiron.com

Not sure whether or not PFF grades matter, being I couldn't figure out their formulas and how they arrive at their grades in a million years. Mildy, if pleasantly surprised to see Braxton Jones with the 2nd best grade. Considering he had that really dumb PF early in the game, I guess he made up for it with his overall play. Pretty cool to see our UFA dawg Jack Sanborn get honored twice. But I don't know how Brisker wasn't in the top 5, considering he played a pretty damn good game.

LOFL at Taylor not being number one, let alone not even listed on Special Teams. PFF showin' a little nerd ass right there. Get real. That's retarded.

 

[wood20ks]

Just an fyi........

The Rams punter Sunday,had a punt further than Taylors 66 yarder with 67......

So far this year:
All but 8 teams have punters kick for 60+ yards......
11 punters have punts further than Taylors 66 yarder.......( his best)
4 punts were 70-74-80 and 84 yards.....
Kicking punts over 60 yards is pretty common,so its really nothing special........

Ps.....Bears punter from last season had a 76 yarder.......

Bears punting records has Taylor tied for 27th for all time Bears longest:

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-punting-punts

So no,Taylor has not kicked a ball further than any Bear ever.......and not gonna say he cant either........

just an fyi,dont kill the messenger.

 

[Payton]

A (semi) defense of Waldron:

DJ Moore shares candid thoughts on Shane Waldron after Week 4 win

Chicago Bears wide receiver D.J. Moore didn't hold back when speaking on offensive coordinator Shane Waldron following the team's Week 4 win against the Rams.

beargoggleson.com

Waldron as OC has been on par with the likes of Getsy the first 3 weeks, but there definitely seemed to be an overall improvement yesterday, both in playcalling and in the execution. Still, the arrow has to continue pointing upward. This is the NFL, not the MLB, NBA, or NHL. You only get 17 games to make your mark. It shouldn't take a quarter of the season to start showing the good stuff.

First and foremost has to be a reduction in penalties, especially the really stupid ones like false starts on our own home field. That's utterly ridiculous. Of course the OL has to play better. And it wouldn't hurt to see some designed rollouts for Williams. Yes, like any solid QB, he has to show he can play within the pocket. But this kid was born to throw off platform while on the scoot - just so long as it's not simply him trying to escape the defensive rush.

On this, I will say that I noticed in the 2nd half we were suddenly throwing the quick hitters 4-5 yards BEYOND the line of scrimmage, instead of behind it... It is what I, and others here have been screaming about, and it seemed to make a lot of difference.

Imagine that, having a 4-5 yard gain after the catch, WITHOUT having to run 10 yards after the catch! BRILLIANT!