Vikings post game

[duke1861]

His major flaw is he holds the ball way too long. Plus he always forces the big play instead of taking the check down.

Agreed.
I would also add turnovers with the game on the line.

 

[duke1861]

Right now, If Wentz gets put in, 9-8. Losses from Eagles, 49ers, and Boys. We finish 7th or 8th in the NFC.

I have 8-9.
I do not see us sweeping the giants. They are better than we think.
I have loses to the eagles, cowboys, 49ers and once to the giants. The giants might sweep us and I would not be surprised.

I think the falcons game will be closer than I think. I don't have any worries about HOU or CLE. However, as skinsdad said, their are no sure fire wins with the current team.

 

[deanpet21]

Agreed.
I would also add turnovers with the game on the line.

No doubt he made a bad read in the Titans game. I put that on him, can't throw that ball especially on 3rd down.

 

[skinz2winz]

You don't like what you are seeing on that side of the ball? DVOA metrics which is more accurate than the NFL rating system has the Skins run defense #1 right now.

If you want to upgrade through the draft, are you advocating spending our 1st or 2nd on a LB? A comp 3rd round LB is not going to beat out Davis or Cole in camp.

So which pick the 1st or 2nd do you feel we should spend on a LB?

I recommend our new regime use the draft experts in house to not land a Davis type LB in round 1 when one can actually be found in later rounds that can have an impact. If they deem round 2 for certain player than I am onboard. What I am not onboard with is multiple early picks that have not panned out or frankly should not have been selected that high according to this staff. (ie; Jamin Davis) Not saying he is a bust, I am saying he definitely should not have been taken where he was in round 1.

I do see improvement on that side of the ball however, we have holes at DT depth, LB, corner and safety on defense. Offensively we are hurting at the OL position mainly. Why so many more holes heading into year 4? All arrows pointing at Rivera.

 

[skinz2winz]

no doubt but i want to see Wentz again. Im not writing him off yet. not after 6 games. sorry

Sorry, I just see Wentz as part of the problem. Couple that with Turner's inability to be much more creative and help develop some flow to the offense with his play calling which he has been unable to do. The offense has no real identity imo.

 

[deanpet21]

Sorry, I just see Wentz as part of the problem. Couple that with Turner's inability to be much more creative and help develop some flow to the offense with his play calling which he has been unable to do. The offense has no real identity imo.

Very true. Turner has been bad this year. I just don't blame Wentz for the 2-4 record, that's why i want to see him again this year.

 

[Breed]

Wentz has not had the defense that TH has had. That is a fact. Im not saying he was playing great. I just want to see him again

Taylor has played in half as many games as Wince and has as many wins as Wince. That's also a fact.

What's not a fact is you acting like Wince hasn't had any help whatsoever. The defense did its job against Dallas for instance. The running game was effective against Dallas as well. 27 carries, 142 yrads, 5.3 ypc. The weak link in that game was Wince.

Against Tenn the defense did alright when you consider the offense didn't convert a single 3rd dn until the last drive of the game. Wince was also in perfect position to win that game. With 1st n goal from Tenn's 3 yd line and throws 2 imc on 1st n 2nd down and an INT on 3rd dn. It was on his shoulders to win that game and he blew it plain n simple.

 

[skinz2winz]

Very true. Turner has been bad this year. I just don't blame Wentz for the 2-4 record, that's why i want to see him again this year.

RR is coaching for his tenure here in DC. Unfortunately, you will see Wentz again as soon as he is able. I am on the record as saying I don't want Wentz behind center any longer. I am looking to the future unlike Rivera and what is best for the team moving forward after he is gone, because he will be sooner or later. TH for now and Howell once the season is lost. Just my opinion, nothing more.

 

[deanpet21]

Taylor has played in half as many games as Wince and has as many wins as Wince. That's also a fact.

What's not a fact is you acting like Wince hasn't had any help whatsoever. The defense did its job against Dallas for instance. The running game was effective against Dallas as well. 27 carries, 142 yrads, 5.3 ypc. The weak link in that gane was Wince.

Against Tenn the defense did alright when you consider the offense didn't convert a single 3rd dn until the last drive of the game. Wince was also in perfect position to win that game. With 1st n goal from Tenn's 3 yd line and throws 2 imc on 1st n 2nd down and an INT on 3rd dn.

With Turner, TH, has played more in the system. The weak link of the Dallas game was the oline. Sure Wentz didn't play well but he had no time. I agree Wentz made a bad read at the goal line in the Titans game. The defense gave up a huge scoring drive right after we took the lead in the game in the late 4th qtr.

TH has had more experience in Turner's offense than Wentz. That is a fact.

 

[Breed]

His major flaw is he holds the ball way too long. Plus he always forces the big play instead of taking the check down.

If you're talking about Wince I'd opine its his inaccuracy on short n intermediate throws that's his major flaw.

 

[deanpet21]

RR is coaching for his tenure here in DC. Unfortunately, you will see Wentz again as soon as he is able. I am on the record as saying I don't want Wentz behind center any longer. I am looking to the future unlike Rivera and what is best for the team moving forward after he is gone, because he will be sooner or later. TH for now and Howell once the season is lost. Just my opinion, nothing more.

Thats fine. so you blame Wentz for the 2-4 record. If you still want to see TH out there that is your opinion. I just dont see how we have a better chance to win with TH than Wentz. Its possible we can get to 9 wins and get the last WC spot.

 

[deanpet21]

If you're talking about Wince I'd opine its his inaccuracy on short n intermediate throws that's his major flaw.

agree. he is more accurate down the field than short throws.

 

[Breed]

With Turner, TH, has played more in the system. The weak link of the Dallas game was the oline. Sure Wentz didn't play well but he had no time. I agree Wentz made a bad read at the goal line in the Titans game. The defense gave up a huge scoring drive right after we took the lead in the game in the late 4th qtr.

How many INTs did the OL throw? Wince threw 2. How many intentional groundings did the OL commit? Wince committed 2. How many times did the OL move right into a sack or near sack from lack of pocket awareness? Wince did it a handful of times. How many off target passes to open WRs did the OL throw? Wince had at least 4.

It wasn't a bad read. It was 3 opportunities to win the game and Wince failing every time. Fucking up so much on the 3rd one he killed the chasnce to win on 4th dn.

 

[kbso83432]

I recommend our new regime use the draft experts in house to not land a Davis type LB in round 1 when one can actually be found in later rounds that can have an impact. If they deem round 2 for certain player than I am onboard. What I am not onboard with is multiple early picks that have not panned out or frankly should not have been selected that high according to this staff. (ie; Jamin Davis) Not saying he is a bust, I am saying he definitely should not have been taken where he was in round 1.

I do see improvement on that side of the ball however, we have holes at DT depth, LB, corner and safety on defense. Offensively we are hurting at the OL position mainly. Why so many more holes heading into year 4? All arrows pointing at Rivera.

What does that have to do with Davis and Cole?

 

[deanpet21]

How many INTs did the OL throw? Wince threw 2. How many intentional groundings did the OL commit? Wince committed 2. How many times did the OL move right into a sack or near sack from lack of pocket awareness? Wince did it a handful of times. How many off target passes to open WRs did the OL throw? Wince had at least 4.

It wasn't a bad read. It was 3 opportunities to win the game and Wince failing every time. Fucking up so much on the 3rd one he killed the chasnce to win on 4th dn.

no argument of the titans game. The Dallas game he was just getting hit.

 

[duke1861]

Thats fine. so you blame Wentz for the 2-4 record. If you still want to see TH out there that is your opinion. I just dont see how we have a better chance to win with TH than Wentz. Its possible we can get to 9 wins and get the last WC spot.

So now we are focused on 9 wins a sneaking into the playoffs. You want to hold that 2nd round pick hostage in the hope that we sneak into the playoffs?
Just like in 2020, I don't see how making the playoffs helps this team long term whatsoever. We are about to get a new owner and more than likely brand new front office leaders. We would get our doors blown off by Philly if we make it past round 1 by a miracle.

 

[duke1861]

no argument of the titans game. The Dallas game he was just getting hit.

And not getting the ball out quicker. Keep in mind, he would face Dallas in week 17 with Dak.

 

[deanpet21]

So now we are focused on 9 wins a sneaking into the playoffs. You want to hold that 2nd round pick hostage in the hope that we sneak into the playoffs?
Just like in 2020, I don't see how making the playoffs helps this team long term whatsoever. We are about to get a new owner and more than likely brand new front office leaders. We would get our doors blown off by Philly if we make it past round 1 by a miracle.

What if Wentz plays well for the rest of the year? He is still gone in your book?

 

[duke1861]

RR is coaching for his tenure here in DC. Unfortunately, you will see Wentz again as soon as he is able. I am on the record as saying I don't want Wentz behind center any longer. I am looking to the future unlike Rivera and what is best for the team moving forward after he is gone, because he will be sooner or later. TH for now and Howell once the season is lost. Just my opinion, nothing more.

I agree 100%.
I don't really care what happens this year because the team is about to have a new owner and new front office. To me, that is much more important than giving up a 2nd round pick and getting our butts kicked in the playoffs with a lame duck coach.
Going into 2023 with a 2nd pick is more important than sneaking in to the playoffs and getting a 1st round exit.

 

[duke1861]

What if Wentz plays well for the rest of the year? He is still gone in your book?

Define play well? He will be going up against good teams...one of which embarrassed him. If he wins the Super bowl, sure, keep him. These teams will blitz him without mercy. He has not played good teams well this year.
Again, I am much more interested in a full body of work instead of a flash in the pan. Wentz is what he is and I see no upside to him. He is on his 3rd team in 3 years and nobody in the NFL wanted him except the commanders. Same with Rivera, his body world work is not that good at all..especially the past 5 years. No other coach would be employees by a team after 5 straight losing seasons. It is simply not done in the league.

Yes, I think he needs to go. His play is too eratic and he is not improving. I was against the trade from the get go. We need a starting QB for this franchise and wentz is not it. We can get a better than QB than Wentz. You are not understanding that aspect. You claim you simply want a better QB but refuse to believe one exists.


As I have said previously, if this was a court of law, is their enough evidence to convict Wentz of being a dependable, long term franchise QB for us? The answer is no. Perhaps you disagree, but is it really worth gambling our 2nd rounder away? Rivera said QB play is what separates this team from Dallas, Philly and the giants. Why did he say that dean?