Vikings post game

[kbso83432]

Good moving forward with Davis & Holcomb? My goodness we need an absolute upgrade at ILB.

In our 52 system, I think both of them are coming along. Could use some depth for sure, but QB, G, T, CB are way higher on the need list for me. You can't fix everything in one off-season.

 

[skinz2winz]

In our 52 system, I think both of them are coming along. Could use some depth for sure, but QB, G, T, CB are way higher on the need list for me. You can't fix everything in one off-season.

No you cannot but I would like to see an upgrade possibly from the draft. This will be RR 4th off season. How many off seasons does he need? Siriani took 2 off seasons to work his magic. They actually participated in FA also which really put them over the top. They are getting strong QB play from a player who will get paid which will affect their roster once that happens. Sorta like paying Rodgers $50M and he has no weapons.

 

[Breed]

so lets break that up ? that is what people advocate

Breaking what up exactly? Since Allen has been a member of the Skins they have a 35-55 overall W/L record. They have never finished a season with a record that's better than 7-9. They've finished in 3rd place in the NFC East 3 times, in last place 1 time and won the division, with a losing record, where they promptly lost their one n only playoff game during Allen's tenure. At present the Skins reside in last place in the NFC East with a losing record.

Do you think the Skins are about to go on a 5 or 6 game winning steak and compete for an NFC East title? Win a playoff game for the first time in 17 years? What is so valuable that it can't be broken up?

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[kbso83432]

No you cannot but I would like to see an upgrade possibly from the draft. This will be RR 4th off season. How many off seasons does he need? Siriani took 2 off seasons to work his magic. They actually participated in FA also which really put them over the top. They are getting strong QB play from a player who will get paid which will affect their roster once that happens. Sorta like paying Rodgers $50M and he has no weapons.

You don't like what you are seeing on that side of the ball? DVOA metrics which is more accurate than the NFL rating system has the Skins run defense #1 right now.

If you want to upgrade through the draft, are you advocating spending our 1st or 2nd on a LB? A comp 3rd round LB is not going to beat out Davis or Cole in camp.

So which pick the 1st or 2nd do you feel we should spend on a LB?

 

[Breed]

no but it will put him in better situations. Not have to come from behind every game.

Wince not throwing INTs on consecutive plays or being able to convert 3rd downs into 1st downs at better than a 25% rate or leading the offesne to multiple scoring drives in the 1st half of games would do the same thing.

 

[deanpet21]

The closets thing we have to a QB on this roster is Howell. Wentz is done and happy feet cannot see over the LOS. 5 batted balls Sunday. That is 5 dead plays with zero result. TH is limited as we all know, decent story and back up material. IF this team had a REAL QB we would see a better functioning offense all around. Give that REAL QB an inovative OC and you have something. Something we still need going into year 4 of RR & Co.

no doubt but i want to see Wentz again. Im not writing him off yet. not after 6 games. sorry

 

[deanpet21]

Wince not throwing INTs on consecutive plays or being able to convert 3rd downs into 1st downs at better than a 25% rate or leading the offesne to multiple scoring drives in the 1st half of games would do the same thing.

Wentz has not had the defense that TH has had. That is a fact. Im not saying he was playing great. I just want to see him again

 

[duke1861]

Wentz has not had the defense that TH has had. That is a fact. Im not saying he was playing great. I just want to see him again

There you go again dean.
Are you meaning to say that the defense gave a nod and wink and decided to play better under Falco? Spare us the conspiracy theory junk.
What does the defense have to do with Wentz leading an offense to going 1-11 on 3rd down against the Titans. You keep claiming we should have won that game but refuse to blame him for anything that happened in the 4 loses he started.

Bottom line, if Falco loses, it was falco's fault as he was reckless with the ball and is not an NFL QB.
If Wentz loses, it is the OLine, receivers, Scott Turner and now it's the defenses fault. Surely you don't believe that. You never addressed why no other team in the NFL wanted him except wsh.

Yes, we know you want to see Wentz again. You were jumping up and down when the trade went down because you are fascinated with his arm strength. You never acknowledge Wentz's flaws such as poor pocket presence and his accuracy problems. Again, when things go south, you blame everybody except Wentz. You even announced him as our QB after the JAX win when you said "we have our qb". You ran your mouth about Wentz and can't let it go.

 

[duke1861]

no doubt but i want to see Wentz again. Im not writing him off yet. not after 6 games. sorry

You will never write Wentz off because it is never his fault. We can finish 6-11 or 7-10 under wentz and you will blame Rivera, the OLine, Turner, etc.
When he is cut in the off-season you will gripe about it and claim he got a raw deal. You will claim he was our future and we threw it away.

You literally said the Wentz trade could have been one of our greatest trades as an organization. You are tied to Wentz because all of your off-season predictions were based off of your assumptions on Wentz. That is why you want him to play because you know the trade was a mistake at this point and you don't want to admit you were wrong. You want Wentz to turn it around so you can claim you were right and everyone was wrong about Wentz.

 

[deanpet21]

There you go again dean.
Are you meaning to say that the defense gave a nod and wink and decided to play better under Falco? Spare us the conspiracy theory junk.
What does the defense have to do with Wentz leading an offense to going 1-11 on 3rd down against the Titans. You keep claiming we should have won that game but refuse to blame him for anything that happened in the 4 loses he started.

Bottom line, if Falco loses, it was falco's fault as he was reckless with the ball and is not an NFL QB.
If Wentz loses, it is the OLine, receivers, Scott Turner and now it's the defenses fault. Surely you don't believe that. You never addressed why no other team in the NFL wanted him except wsh.

Yes, we know you want to see Wentz again. You were jumping up and down when the trade went down because you are fascinated with his arm strength. You never acknowledge Wentz's flaws such as poor pocket presence and his accuracy problems. Again, when things go south, you blame everybody except Wentz. You even announced him as our QB after the JAX win when you said "we have our qb". You ran your mouth about Wentz and can't let it go.

I never said Wentz was perfect. I know he has his flaws. He derives to start in 2 weeks

 

[deanpet21]

You will never write Wentz off because it is never his fault. We can finish 6-11 or 7-10 under wentz and you will blame Rivera, the OLine, Turner, etc.
When he is cut in the off-season you will gripe about it and claim he got a raw deal. You will claim he was our future and we threw it away.

You literally said the Wentz trade could have been one of our greatest trades as an organization. You are tied to Wentz because all of your off-season predictions were based off of your assumptions on Wentz. That is why you want him to play because you know the trade was a mistake at this point and you don't want to admit you were wrong. You want Wentz to turn it around so you can claim you were right and everyone was wrong about Wentz.

False, I said if Wentz loses the hou or Atl game we should go to Howell. Said that plenty of times. Right "could" have been a great trade. im not writing the team off like you. Its week 10 for God sakes and we are 4-5.

 

[duke1861]

I never said Wentz was perfect. I know he has his flaws. He derives to start in 2 weeks

He deserves to be shown the door.
The team needs a starting QB in the worst way period. Wentz is not it and you know that.

 

[duke1861]

False, I said if Wentz loses the hou or Atl game we should go to Howell. Said that plenty of times. Right "could" have been a great trade. im not writing the team off like you. Its week 10 for God sakes and we are 4-5.

But you have repeatedly said we should be 6-6 a dozen times. You are assuming we win those games and banking on the team winning them.
You wouldn't give up on the team if they were 0-16 dean.
In every prediction or assumption, you have the team at 6-6.
Yes, I wrote the team off from competing and making the playoffs. Just like every pundit who is credible. There is a reason I posted the article today. Rivera is our coach..have you seen his record over the past 10 years dean? We don't have a QB and we have a bad coach...why would I not have faith in the team? Wentz is not the answer to our QB worse no matter how badly you want him to be.

 

[duke1861]

I never said Wentz was perfect. I know he has his flaws. He derives to start in 2 weeks

And what flaws are those dean? You give nebulous critiques of Wentz but not concrete issues he has as a QB. You defend him and have a dozen or so excuses, but no real criticism of him.

 

[deanpet21]

But you have repeatedly said we should be 6-6 a dozen times. You are assuming we win those games and banking on the team winning them.
You wouldn't give up on the team if they were 0-16 dean.
In every prediction or assumption, you have the team at 6-6.
Yes, I wrote the team off from competing and making the playoffs. Just like every pundit who is credible. There is a reason I posted the article today. Rivera is our coach..have you seen his record over the past 10 years dean? We don't have a QB and we have a bad coach...why would I not have faith in the team? Wentz is not the answer to our QB worse no matter how badly you want him to be.

Once again I said if we are 6-6, RR will not bench Wentz

 

[deanpet21]

And what flaws are those dean? You give nebulous critiques of Wentz but not concrete issues he has as a QB. You defend him and have a dozen or so excuses, but no real criticism of him.

Always said he is not an elite QB but he is way better than TH. I don't understand the posters on here who STILL want to see TH after last year and 3 games this year.,

 

[duke1861]

Once again I said if we are 6-6, RR will not bench Wentz

To confirm, what is our final record in your estimation... regardless of who starts? Are we a playoff team?

 

[duke1861]

Always said he is not an elite QB but he is way better than TH. I don't understand the posters on here who STILL want to see TH after last year and 3 games this year.,

I agree with you, you have not said he is elite. That is true...but you didn't answer my question about his specific flaws.

I can only speak for myself, but i do not want to see Wentz again because I want to retain the 2nd round pick. To me, we need a starting QB and Wentz is not the answer. As such, I see no reason to keep him past this year and I want that pick.
If the debate is between Falco and Howell, then that is another topic.

 

[deanpet21]

To confirm, what is our final record in your estimation... regardless of who starts? Are we a playoff team?

Right now, If Wentz gets put in, 9-8. Losses from Eagles, 49ers, and Boys. We finish 7th or 8th in the NFC.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree with you, you have not said he is elite. That is true...but you didn't answer my question about his specific flaws.

I can only speak for myself, but i do not want to see Wentz again because I want to retain the 2nd round pick. To me, we need a starting QB and Wentz is not the answer. As such, I see no reason to keep him past this year and I want that pick.
If the debate is between Falco and Howell, then that is another topic.

His major flaw is he holds the ball way too long. Plus he always forces the big play instead of taking the check down.