Top 10 poll #5: #5 player in history - Runoff

[calsnowskier]

Top 10 poll: #5 player ever

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9) 2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11) 3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17) 4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8) Who is the #5 player ever? Vote for your top 3. This poll will close Thursday AM. @navamind @tzill @LHG...

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Runoff for #5 player in baseball history. Poll closes on Sunday AM. Vote for one. If a single player does not get 50%+1, we will have another runoff.

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[MilkSpiller22]

ty cobb was the only player of these three that was considered the best of his generation...

so TC is the answer.... if we want to complicate this, and talk defense and base running, then Cobb is so much better than the other 2, that the other 2 should not even be honoured in the same poll...

 

[msgkings322]

Top 10 poll: #5 player ever

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9) 2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11) 3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17) 4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8) Who is the #5 player ever? Vote for your top 3. This poll will close Thursday AM. @navamind @tzill @LHG...

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Runoff for #5 player in baseball history. Poll closes on Sunday AM. Vote for one. If a single player does not get 50%+1, we will have another runoff.

@navamind @tzill @LHG @Stokes1931 @steveringo @broncosmitty @packerzrule @Shanemansj13 @jarntt @redseat @trojanfan12 @black francis @molsaniceman @Fountain City Blues @Used 2 B Hu @MilkSpiller22 @mr.hockey4242 @chappee11 @CitySushi @Clayton @UK Cowboy @Beengay fudgepackers @Hbomb @Diamondeye @Maximus Rex @Pure Steel @jon2tanman @Boglodyte @nynasty @Hank Kingsley @Wamu @Janus @Robotech @kcden @jwolt92 @Sportsguy9695 @DHoey @chillerdab @DorianRo @socaljim242 @VikingFan2k2 @PolarVortex @msgkings322 @Cedrique @BigFin @catman @omarsrevenge @rmilia1 @Stakesarehigh @obxyankeefan @femurov @Nosferatu

Cal you need to move this thread to the MLB board (you accidentally put it in the Giants one)

 

[calsnowskier]

Cal you need to move this thread to the MLB board (you accidentally put it in the Giants one)

Tyvm…

 

[calsnowskier]

ty cobb was the only player of these three that was considered the best of his generation...

so TC is the answer.... if we want to complicate this, and talk defense and base running, then Cobb is so much better than the other 2, that the other 2 should not even be honoured in the same poll...

He didn’t have the HRs of the other 2, but he had an era-appropriate amount of power. I agree that this SHOULD be his spot, though it won’t end up that way.

 

[msgkings322]

He didn’t have the HRs of the other 2, but he had an era-appropriate amount of power. I agree that this SHOULD be his spot, though it won’t end up that way.

I could go either way but decided to pick Aaron because he played when the game was basically the modern version. Cobb was still in the weird era. I'll vote Cobb for the next spot and have no problem with either of them at 5

 

[Janus]

I vote Aaron, the era he played amassing the stats he had and longevity is a plus. Aaron is underrated and nothing to stain his vcareer like some others. Great Ambassador for the game, the game in it's purest form.

Nobody liked Cobb

 

[calsnowskier]

Some quick seasonal summaries…

Cobb - 1 MVP (4 years w/ votes); 12 batting titles, 6 SB; 4 RBI; 1 HR, 8 Hits; 5 Runs; 11 OPS+; 5 WAR (151.4 career, 69.1 WAR7)
Aaron - 1 MVP (19 years w/ votes, 8 top 5); 2 batting titles; 4 RBI; 4 HR, 2 Hits; 3 Runs; 3 OPS+; 1 WAR (143.1 career, 68.1 WAR7)
Gehrig - 2 MVP (12 years w/ votes, 9 top 5); 1 batting title; 5 RBI; 3 HR, 1 Hits; 4 Runs; 3 OPS+; 2 WAR (113 career, 77.6 WAR7)

 

[msgkings322]

I vote Aaron, the era he played amassing the stats he had and longevity is a plus. Aaron is underrated and nothing to stain his vcareer like some others. Great Ambassador for the game, the game in it's purest form.

Nobody liked Cobb

He liked taking PEDs though. I voted for him at #5 anyway.

 

[calsnowskier]

I vote Aaron, the era he played amassing the stats he had and longevity is a plus. Aaron is underrated and nothing to stain his vcareer like some others. Great Ambassador for the game, the game in it's purest form.

Nobody liked Cobb

You can vote as you like, but a lot wrong with this post.

Aaron was the era-equivalent to Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, etc. he didn’t break any rules, but to claim he was “pure” is simply inaccurate.

The whole “Cobb was a racist asshole” has been addressed numerous time in these threads…

 

[calsnowskier]

Some quick seasonal summaries…

Cobb - 1 MVP (4 years w/ votes); 12 batting titles, 6 SB; 4 RBI; 1 HR, 8 Hits; 5 Runs; 11 OPS+; 5 WAR (151.4 career, 69.1 WAR7)
Aaron - 1 MVP (19 years w/ votes, 8 top 5); 2 batting titles; 4 RBI; 4 HR, 2 Hits; 3 Runs; 3 OPS+; 1 WAR (143.1 career, 68.1 WAR7)
Gehrig - 2 MVP (12 years w/ votes, 9 top 5); 1 batting title; 5 RBI; 3 HR, 1 Hits; 4 Runs; 3 OPS+; 2 WAR (113 career, 77.6 WAR7)

The Chalmers Award was the MVP equivalent that was given out to a single player each year from ‘11 - ‘14. The precursor to the modern day MVP award did not exist until ‘22 (Cobb’s age 35 season). This explains his lack of strength in that category.

 

[calsnowskier]

Seasons with at least 100 games

Cobb - 19
Aaron - 22
Gehrig - 14 (though he was the original “Ironman”)

 

[calsnowskier]

All Star games (did not exist until ‘33 - after Cobb entirely, and Gehrig’s age 30 season)

Gehrig - 7 (including his final season where he only appeared in 8 games)
Aaron - 21 (plus 4 appearances when there were 2 games per season)
Cobb - 0 (as mentioned the concept didn’t exist during his career)

 

[calsnowskier]

It looks like Aaron and Gehrig are actually pretty good comparisons. Both serious Ironmen, but a non-baseball ailment ended Gehrig’s career (interesting story, if you are not aware of it). Cobb was a completely different kind of player, but as Milk stated, he was the best in the game before a dude named Herman came along.

 

[Janus]

He liked taking PEDs though. I voted for him at #5 anyway.

Eh a minor indulgence. Nothing to worry about. No worse than bubble gum cigarettes

 

[MilkSpiller22]

It looks like Aaron and Gehrig are actually pretty good comparisons. Both serious Ironmen, but a non-baseball ailment ended Gehrig’s career (interesting story, if you are not aware of it). Cobb was a completely different kind of player, but as Milk stated, he was the best in the game before a dude named Herman came along.

yea, i am a big yankee fan... Love Gehrig... and of course his speach... cant be a yankee fan without hearing it at least once...

but i dont think i have Gehrig as a top 10 ever..( I MIGHT, really havent thought about it)... kind of surprised he mad it to this run off...

 

[LHG]

yea, i am a big yankee fan... Love Gehrig... and of course his speach... cant be a yankee fan without hearing it at least once...

but i dont think i have Gehrig as a top 10 ever..( I MIGHT, really havent thought about it)... kind of surprised he mad it to this run off...

Because even non-Yankee baseball fans see his greatness.

 

[Janus]

You can vote as you like, but a lot wrong with this post.

Aaron was the era-equivalent to Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, etc. he didn’t break any rules, but to claim he was “pure” is simply inaccurate.

The whole “Cobb was a racist asshole” has been addressed numerous time in these threads…

Picayune, trampling on a legacy of a superstar for presenting clear cheaters as equivalents in either moral, ethics or laws.
Evidence in their enhancements clearly sets their maturity level of accomplishments apart from their introduction to the league.
Using tylenol equivalent substances that pose no threat to visual enhancements is surely lowering the bar of greatness in order to appease a popularity position.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Because even non-Yankee baseball fans see his greatness.

he gets the legend treatment for sure... but its weird... he played most of his career in the same lineup as Ruth... so, he wasnt even the best player on the team....

 

[Janus]

he gets the legend treatment for sure... but its weird... he played most of his career in the same lineup as Ruth... so, he wasnt even the best player on the team....

And who would have been playing with Ruth? Gehrig deserves his fame and placement within the top 10 Yankees.