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Top 10 poll #3: #3 player in history - Runoff

Who is the #3 player in baseball history?


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And Aaron owned it thanks to greenies. And Ruth owned it because he was playing against mail carriers and grocery baggers.

If the game didn’t make it illegal, it means they wanted it to increase ass-in-seats.

again, i dont disagree... i understand every generation had its own hiccups... and if you look deeper into any of it you will only see black clouds...

But bonds is different.. Bonds is the face of an era of CHEATING... it doesnt matter whether he cheated or not,esepcialy under the definition of the law... nobody cares.... its all emotional... you should understand that...
 

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again, i dont disagree... i understand every generation had its own hiccups... and if you look deeper into any of it you will only see black clouds...

But bonds is different.. Bonds is the face of an era of CHEATING... it doesnt matter whether he cheated or not,esepcialy under the definition of the law... nobody cares.... its all emotional... you should understand that...
I understand the argument. I just don’t see a difference in it. If Mays is loved despite his amphetamine usage, and Aaron’s HR record is accepted despite his greenie usage, there is absolutely zero reason Bonds should be singled out. THAT would be purely emotional.

I am a database programmer by profession. I see things very binary. If I were writing logic, I would not be able to program a rule that would eliminate Bonds from this discussion, but wouldn’t also eliminate Mays, Aaron and many others. I could easily write a rule that eliminates Rodriguez, Rose, Sosa, Jackson or Ramirez, though.
 

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And few of them are able to get into a protracted defense of their pick against Bonds. That is too bad.

Not that Williams isn’t a worthy #3. I just want people to stand behind their vote.
If Williams had missed the 3 peak years to injury i would have voted Bonds, however, he bookends his ww2 time in 10 war seasons. It is reasonable to assume those 3 years are also 10+ and I think close the gap one the war7. I think Williams has a solid argument for 3, but Bonds gets my vote on next runoff for sure.
 

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I understand the argument. I just don’t see a difference in it. If Mays is loved despite his amphetamine usage, and Aaron’s HR record is accepted despite his greenie usage, there is absolutely zero reason Bonds should be singled out. THAT would be purely emotional.

I am a database programmer by profession. I see things very binary. If I were writing logic, I would not be able to program a rule that would eliminate Bonds from this discussion, but wouldn’t also eliminate Mays, Aaron and many others. I could easily write a rule that eliminates Rodriguez, Rose, Sosa, Jackson or Ramirez, though.

Except I have been arguing that it is emotional this whole time.
 

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If Williams had missed the 3 peak years to injury i would have voted Bonds, however, he bookends his ww2 time in 10 war seasons. It is reasonable to assume those 3 years are also 10+ and I think close the gap one the war7. I think Williams has a solid argument for 3, but Bonds gets my vote on next runoff for sure.
Solid argument. Thank you.
 

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Except I have been arguing that it is emotional this whole time.
IF the argument against Bonds is PEDs, it is purely emotional. But Mebert stood behind his vote and offered a solid argument for his vote for Williams. And I am not against Bonds losing to Williams at 3. Or to whomever at 4, 5, 6, etc. I just don’t want it to be because of PEDs, because that is not a valid argument, imho.

But if the board disagrees with me, so be it. I am posting the polls, but I am not dictating its results. I 100% accept whatever the results.
 

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IF the argument against Bonds is PEDs, it is purely emotional. But Mebert stood behind his vote and offered a solid argument for his vote for Williams. And I am not against Bonds losing to Williams at 3. Or to whomever at 4, 5, 6, etc. I just don’t want it to be because of PEDs, because that is not a valid argument, imho.

But if the board disagrees with me, so be it. I am posting the polls, but I am not dictating its results. I 100% accept whatever the results.

I just t think it hurts the debates from now going on. And why I would take him off the list. We are at 4 right now and people are already saying they don’t know who to pick. I’d rather see a runoff between 2 close players than a player that half of us think should be 4th and bonds who will get the anti vote.
 

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I just t think it hurts the debates from now going on. And why I would take him off the list. We are at 4 right now and people are already saying they don’t know who to pick. I’d rather see a runoff between 2 close players than a player that half of us think should be 4th and bonds who will get the anti vote.
It is early, but it looks like we may not even need a runoff for 4.

And end of the day, Bonds being #4 is 100% defensible.
 

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Agree to disagree about that.
I don’t hold that opinion (as you know), but someone looking at Williams and coming to their own conclusion that he was better is not the same as saying Paul ONeill is better than Bonds.
 

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I don’t hold that opinion (as you know), but someone looking at Williams and coming to their own conclusion that he was better is not the same as saying Paul ONeill is better than Bonds.


but if the only reason someone can give for someone to be better is because of something you discredit, how can you later on say here is the line where my bias is no longer a factor?? i just think if bonds is 4th then it creates a weird pattern that i just cant follow... and i like consistency...
 

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but if the only reason someone can give for someone to be better is because of something you discredit, how can you later on say here is the line where my bias is no longer a factor?? i just think if bonds is 4th then it creates a weird pattern that i just cant follow... and i like consistency...
Looking at the early returns for #4, I don’t believe the Anti-Bonds contingent is that deep. It is definitely there (and that is disappointing, because that, imho, is almost a troll maneuver), but my hope is that isn’t a large enough contingent to make a major swing in the polls.

But it is what it is. If this IS a serious anti-Bonds board, than that is what it is. The results will reflect who we are. Somewhat.
 

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Looking at the early returns for #4, I don’t believe the Anti-Bonds contingent is that deep. It is definitely there (and that is disappointing, because that, imho, is almost a troll maneuver), but my hope is that isn’t a large enough contingent to make a major swing in the polls.

But it is what it is. If this IS a serious anti-Bonds board, than that is what it is. The results will reflect who we are. Somewhat.

no its not troll to have him off the list... it is troll to put him somewhere he doesnt belong on the list...
 
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