Top 10 Poll: #2 Player Ever

[Cedrique]

Wow. I didn't realize this would be so Poll-arizing

 

[Janus]

Agreeed. Mays is not even top five. He may not be top 10. Ruth, Hornsby, Musial, Pujols, Gehrig, Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx, Bonds. There's eight just off the top of my head.

Oh gee, after looking at them I thought they came out of your ass.


Mays is by far a better player than everyone you listed except Ruth.
Hornsby was a great hitter but so were Weaver and Lajoie. Lajoie isn't on the list as a lifetime 339 hitter and single-season mark of 426. I'll take Lajoi over Hornsby

 

[Janus]

I can't believe you left YOGI out, far better than Puljos

 

[PolarVortex]

I agree with this for the most part (although Bonds had other all stars around him too

I suppose that's true although Robb nen and Shawn Estes did not provide him lineup protection to the same degree that McCovey and Cepada provided lineup protection to Mays.

not just Kent, especially in SF). I just dock him for the PEDs

Cry bout dem awful PEDs just one more time cuz it can never be enough with you PED crybabies. Amirite? Willie has his jug of geen juice that was loaded with amphetamines.

and being a prick.

Yeah, that makes him less of a player.

It's just an internet sports discussion after all. Bonds (and Clemens) definitely need to be in the Hall of Fame though.

 

[msgkings322]

I suppose that's true although Robb nen and Shawn Estes did not provide him lineup protection to the same degree that McCovey and Cepada provided lineup protection to Mays.

Other hitters around him like Rich Aurilia and Benito Santiago were all stars too but I can agree Mays had better protection in general.

Cry bout dem awful PEDs just one more time cuz it can never be enough with you PED crybabies. Amirite? Willie has his jug of geen juice that was loaded with amphetamines.

Yeah, that makes him less of a player.

I'm not a PED cryer, I've been saying forever that Bonds and Clemens and others deserve to be in the HOF. But in the subjective game we're playing here, it's my tie breaker for all time greats.

These arguments are always like this, no way to definitively prove who's 'best' with all time greats, they all had different circumstances, eras, teammates, managers, etc. The fun is the arguing.

 

[PolarVortex]

Oh gee, after looking at them I thought they came out of your ass.


Mays is by far a better player than everyone you listed except Ruth.
Hornsby was a great hitter but so were Weaver and Lajoie. Lajoie isn't on the list as a lifetime 339 hitter and single-season mark of 426. I'll take Lajoi over Hornsby

LOL. When it comes to understanding baseball statistics, you are still in peewee league. You guys who think Mays is the second greatest are consistently biased two ways: One - you overrate homeruns. Two - you are hung up on the eye test. If you didn't see it, you don't believe it. I could go on and on about why there are a handful of players that none of us ever saw play, who are better than Mays, but I'd be wasting my time on guys like you. So, I won't.

 

[PolarVortex]

Other hitters around him like Rich Aurilia and Benito Santiago were all stars too but I can agree Mays had better protection in general.

I'm not a PED cryer,

Other than crying like a bitch about PEDS in post #114 while defending Mays who was a self-admitting amphetamine user during his playing career.

I've been saying forever that Bonds and Clemens and others deserve to be in the HOF. But in the subjective game we're playing here, it's my tie breaker for all time greats.

These arguments are always like this, no way to definitively prove who's 'best' with all time greats, they all had different circumstances, eras, teammates, managers, etc. The fun is the arguing.

 

[PolarVortex]

What does Sadaharu Oh have to do to get some love on here?

Play in an era of Japanese baseball that wasn't the equivalent of current AA baseball in the United States?

 

[calsnowskier]

I can't believe you left YOGI out, far better than Puljos

Puljos was a fraud. Anyone who brings him up in any discussion about anything needs to be shamed out of the room.

 

[PolarVortex]

I can't believe you left YOGI out, far better than Puljos

Not even the greatest Yankee catcheer
Bill Dickey > Yogi

 

[calsnowskier]

Play in an era of Japanese baseball that wasn't the equivalent of current AA baseball in the United States?

You mean about the level of competition that Ruth faced?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Other hitters around him like Rich Aurilia and Benito Santiago were all stars too but I can agree Mays had better protection in general.

I'm not a PED cryer, I've been saying forever that Bonds and Clemens and others deserve to be in the HOF. But in the subjective game we're playing here, it's my tie breaker for all time greats.

These arguments are always like this, no way to definitively prove who's 'best' with all time greats, they all had different circumstances, eras, teammates, managers, etc. The fun is the arguing.

Umm. Bonds and mays are not even close. So how is PEDs a tie breaker. You either have bonds as the number 2 or he shouldn’t even be top 10.

That’s not even an opinion. That is statistical fact. Bonds is better than mays in every single statistical measurement except for defense. And bonds also is in the top 10 statistical seasons more than 2 times. While Mays is not even once.

I probably have mays as my third best because of all the EXTRA things. But I just don’t see how bonds is not the best or second best player of all time. Other than the steroids.

 

[chappee11]

Other hitters around him like Rich Aurilia and Benito Santiago were all stars too but I can agree Mays had better protection in general.

I'm not a PED cryer, I've been saying forever that Bonds and Clemens and others deserve to be in the HOF. But in the subjective game we're playing here, it's my tie breaker for all time greats.

These arguments are always like this, no way to definitively prove who's 'best' with all time greats, they all had different circumstances, eras, teammates, managers, etc. The fun is the arguing.

Oh, you’re a cryer, alright.

 

[chappee11]

Play in an era of Japanese baseball that wasn't the equivalent of current AA baseball in the United States?

LOL. Exactly. He probably shouldn’t even be on this list.

 

[PolarVortex]

Oh, you’re a cryer, alright.

Chap, are the Red Sox gonna flank the Yanks and Mets and steal Soto?

 

[msgkings322]

Oh, you’re a cryer, alright.

I’ll never recover from such savagery

 

[chappee11]

Chap, are the Red Sox gonna flank the Yanks and Mets and steal Soto?

I wish, but I doubt it! They are putting their best foot forward, however, and they DO have $$$ to spend, so we shall see. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[PolarVortex]

You mean about the level of competition that Ruth faced?

i.e., still butthurt that I won't acknowledge Mays

 

[calsnowskier]

i.e., still butthurt that I won't acknowledge Mays

How does a comment about Ruth in response to a comment about Oh equate to some butt hurt feels about Mays?

You are giving me whiplash with these sudden lane changes you are executing here.

 

[PolarVortex]

I wish, but I doubt it! They are putting their best foot forward, however, and they DO have $$$ to spend, so we shall see. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Multiple offers for $600+ million. LOL. It's like the baseball owners just skipped right over the $400 million and $500 millions and leapfrogged to the $600 million and $700 millions.

At this rate, I wonder how much Vlad Jr will get next winter as a 26-year-old free agent? 12 years/$540 million?
And the Mariners - if they try to sign all their young arms long term, they are going to have a billion dollar rotation by 2028. The Dodgers probably have a two billion dollar rotation.