Top 10 Poll: #2 Player Ever

[MilkSpiller22]

I see the argument, but the game at the top levels is soooo different from the lower levels, there is a LOT of failure along the way. The teams already invest a lot into developing the players, increasing the cost to develop would really hurt the game, I think. Having a late carrot in baseball is required because it is an older-man’s game. You can’t pay guys before they make themselves worthwhile. That will break the game.

lots of the failure is because they dont get consistent play and then dont get chances to succeed after failure...

I mean, football does this too... how many first rounders are no longer playing after 3-5 years of being drafted...

basketball too, but less so than football...

but in baseball these players are just sent back to the minors until they are ready... there really is not much difference between the sports and failure...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I see the argument, but the game at the top levels is soooo different from the lower levels, there is a LOT of failure along the way. The teams already invest a lot into developing the players, increasing the cost to develop would really hurt the game, I think. Having a late carrot in baseball is required because it is an older-man’s game. You can’t pay guys before they make themselves worthwhile. That will break the game.

i am ok with it being an older mans game... but there is an easy solution for that... draft older players... that are more ready....

the way they draft now is all about 5 tool athletes... which is kind of a joke...

 

[Diamondeye]

So it's okay that nearly ll the great players from the 50s and 60s took amphetamines but it's not okay that the players of the 90s and oughts took steriods? Seems kinda biased. Mays admitted himself that he used amphetamines - non-prescribed amphetamines.

Amphetamines did not provide a generation of players with Paul Bunyan-like physiques and strength.

Not excusing them, but the respective impacts on the game are not really comparable.

 

[calsnowskier]

i am ok with it being an older mans game... but there is an easy solution for that... draft older players... that are more ready....

the way they draft now is all about 5 tool athletes... which is kind of a joke...

A big problem about that is that baseball is not profitable for a lot of colleges. And a lot of those colleges teach bad skills.

 

[calsnowskier]

Amphetamines did not provide a generation of players with Paul Bunyan-like physiques and strength.

Not excusing them, but the respective impacts on the game are not really comparable.

Is that accurate? Mantle, Aaron, Mays, etc were greats who utilized the pharmaceuticals of the day. The recent guys upped the level arguably at the same scale that that generation did.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

A big problem about that is that baseball is not profitable for a lot of colleges. And a lot of those colleges teach bad skills.

but its not profitable because the sport is so behind the others... it will take time for this to change... but not changing anything is just having it fall further behind the other sports...

 

[calsnowskier]

but its not profitable because the sport is so behind the others... it will take time for this to change... but not changing anything is just having it fall further behind the other sports...

Baseball at its core is totally different from most other sports. Soccer is essentially the same as hockey which is essentially the same as basketball. Football is also in the same general family, but maybe more of a cousin to the others.

Baseball is something else entirely. It is circular while the others are linear and the defense dictates the pace of play (and begins every play with possession of the ball).

It isn’t possible to make baseball “like” all the other sports. It has to be it’s own thing, or it stops being baseball and stops being relevant.

 

[PolarVortex]

Is that accurate? Mantle, Aaron, Mays, etc were greats who utilized the pharmaceuticals of the day. The recent guys upped the level arguably at the same scale that that generation did.

And there it is.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Baseball at its core is totally different from most other sports. Soccer is essentially the same as hockey which is essentially the same as basketball. Football is also in the same general family, but maybe more of a cousin to the others.

Baseball is something else entirely. It is circular while the others are linear and the defense dictates the pace of play (and begins every play with possession of the ball).

It isn’t possible to make baseball “like” all the other sports. It has to be it’s own thing, or it stops being baseball and stops being relevant.

i am not suggesting to change the game itself.... but there is a lot of things broken in the minor leagues and prospects and college....

some of the new rules are helping out... but they need to go further...

 

[Robotech]

I am a actually a proponent of letting steroid users in the HOF... Just put an asterisk next to their name.... I also lean toward the Jose Canseco estimates for the players using some for of performance enhancing drug - about 85%?... Since everyone was doing it to some degree, just let them all in...

And many of the pitchers that Bonds faced were using. He leveled the playing field. LOL.

 

[navamind]

I voted for Ruth #1, went with Barry at #2. Really tough choice between him and Mays. I'd have Mays as #3.

 

[calsnowskier]

Poll is closed with Mays and Bonds moving on to a runoff.

Final tally was…

Bonds - 10
Mays - 9
Williams - 5
Gehrig - 2
Griffey, Cobb, Ohtani, Hornsby, Aaron - 1

Top 10 poll #2: #2 player in history - Runoff

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[catman]

Mays, only because Oscar Charleston wasn't on the ballot.