I gotta say Grove is underrated and will switch my pitcher nomination to him, definitely better than Spahn, and Pedro doesn't need my help lol
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OK just for kicks I looked at Kershaw's numbers...that dude should really be in the mix right now. Lifetime 2.50 ERA, 212-94 record, lifetime ERA+ of 156, WHIP 1.01 (!), 3 Cy Youngs, 1 MVP...
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His numbers are significantly better than Koufax for example. And they are equal to Pedro, even slightly better in a couple areas. As of now they have played basically the same length of time...biggest knock on Kershaw of course is postseason but his regular season stats are every bit as good as people being voted on now and he gets zero support.
Just something I noticed.
I think Kershaw is Koufax, if Koufax had better medicine available.OK just for kicks I looked at Kershaw's numbers...that dude should really be in the mix right now. Lifetime 2.50 ERA, 212-94 record, lifetime ERA+ of 156, WHIP 1.01 (!), 3 Cy Youngs, 1 MVP...
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His numbers are significantly better than Koufax for example. And they are equal to Pedro, even slightly better in a couple areas. As of now they have played basically the same length of time...biggest knock on Kershaw of course is postseason but his regular season stats are every bit as good as people being voted on now and he gets zero support.
Just something I noticed.
His numbers are significantly better than Koufax's though, a longer career for Koufax wouldn't have closed that gap. I don't mean counting stats either, ERA and ERA+ and WHIP and W/L %. And Koufax had the higher pitching mound.
Yeah I am switching from nominating Spahn to Grove
He may be a top 10 pitcher all time though, like 9 or 10:
He may be a top 10 pitcher all time though, like 9 or 10:
(not in order necessarily
W Johnson
R Johnson
Clemens
Pedro
Maddux
Grove
Seaver
Mathewson
Maybe Cy Young?
Who else am I missing?
Those last slots could easily be Spahn or Kershaw or even Rivera. And Kershaw has a case over Pedro, Spahn too. Gibson?
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Spahn is for sure more worthy than Koufax, Halladay, but not Kershaw or Gibson.
Kershaw has bad postseason numbers. No getting around that. But he has been soooo mismanaged in his post season appearances, it is hard to blame it on him.OK just for kicks I looked at Kershaw's numbers...that dude should really be in the mix right now. Lifetime 2.50 ERA, 212-94 record, lifetime ERA+ of 156, WHIP 1.01 (!), 3 Cy Youngs, 1 MVP...
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His numbers are significantly better than Koufax for example. And they are equal to Pedro, even slightly better in a couple areas. As of now they have played basically the same length of time...biggest knock on Kershaw of course is postseason but his regular season stats are every bit as good as people being voted on now and he gets zero support.
Just something I noticed.
Verlander over Max?
I just looked them up, and the default position after a quick look needs to be Verlander > Max.
I am not going to look THAT closely right now, but looking at accolades and bolds, Max would need a strong argument to overcome the delta, imho.
