POLL Top 10 poll: #26 player ever

[calsnowskier]

Brett I put above Boggs for sure. Have to check the others

I don’t really disagree, ftr.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

@LHG

Please stop. I know you think you are helping. But you really are not.

Or at least just post your charts once.

 

[calsnowskier]

@LHG

Please stop. I know you think you are helping. But you really are not.

Or at least just post your charts once.

I look at them

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But now it is just a weird voting mechanic excercize rather than productive baseball debate.

Yea. Griffey getting voted in really tainted this for me. I always knew the poll was going to be more a popularity contest. But was always hoping logic would win at the end.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I look at them

Once a thread is fine. Any more and it sounds like he is a Jehovah’s Witness. Trying to convert people into thinking the flawed and biased things he does.

 

[LHG]

@LHG

Please stop. I know you think you are helping. But you really are not.

Or at least just post your charts once.

Why? Your disdain for adjusted stats is well documented but not well defended.

 

[Cedrique]

Cy Young has the best winning percentage of anyone with that many decisions…

A record he's likely to keep. They call him Decision Jankins.....

 

[msgkings322]

@LHG

Please stop. I know you think you are helping. But you really are not.

Or at least just post your charts once.

The fuck? Block him if it bothers you, those charts are very useful.

 

[LHG]

Yea. Griffey getting voted in really tainted this for me. I always knew the poll was going to be more a popularity contest. But was always hoping logic would win at the end.

I agree with you on that. Griffey is too high. I think its a bigger stretch than Henderson's placement.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Why? Your disdain for adjusted stats is well documented but not well defended.

I have no problem with posting things once per thread.

But take out your formula you don’t want to tell people what to think. Just show them actual stats.

But you also need to show something more besides era+ or ops+.

 

[msgkings322]

Yea. Griffey getting voted in really tainted this for me. I always knew the poll was going to be more a popularity contest. But was always hoping logic would win at the end.

Funny to see who here thinks only their opinion counts LOL. This list is mostly dead on where it should be, with maybe 2-3 guys overslotted. So what?

 

[msgkings322]

I have no problem with posting things once per thread.

But take out your formula you don’t want to tell people what to think. Just show them actual stats.

But you also need to show something more besides era+ or ops+.

Uh, this entire thread is us telling people what to think. That's the whole point of it, we argue about it. LHG makes his case, you make yours, and everyone thinks about how they want to vote.

I've had many opinions on players change due to things you and he and others have posted.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Funny to see who here thinks only their opinion counts LOL. This list is mostly dead on where it should be, with maybe 2-3 guys overslotted. So what?

Didn’t say the list is tainted. Just said it got tainted for me.

 

[LHG]

I have no problem with posting things once per thread.

But take out your formula you don’t want to tell people what to think. Just show them actual stats.

But you also need to show something more besides era+ or ops+.

cal is giving a lot of the traditional stats and hardware information in his posts. Mine are supposed to show just one way to look at the pitchers. Everyone here is "trying to tell people what to think" in the sense that they are making their cases on who they think should be rated (except, of course, the silent voters).
In the case of the three charts I posted, the 2nd one I realized I made an error. I could have tried to fix it in my first post but didn't think about that.
The third chart was trying to figure out a way, based on ERA+, how Koufax's short period of dominance could move him up the chart. It did . . . a little.

 

[msgkings322]

I don’t really disagree, ftr.

If we're talking 3rd basemen we seem to have overlooked Eddie Mathews

 

[LHG]

If we're talking 3rd basemen we seem to have overlooked Eddie Mathews

He is the next 3rd baseman on my list.

 

[msgkings322]

Didn’t say the list is tainted. Just said it got tainted for me.

Koufax is getting way more love than Kershaw which is crazy (according to logic), but you don't see me crying about it

 

[DHoey]

Koufax is getting way more love than Kershaw which is crazy (according to logic), but you don't see me crying about it

I could go with wither really.

 

[msgkings322]

I could go with wither really.

Sure I get why Koufax is in the discussion I just think Kershaw had a far superior career.

 

[calsnowskier]

Once a thread is fine. Any more and it sounds like he is a Jehovah’s Witness. Trying to convert people into thinking the flawed and biased things he does.

Anything not provided by you is flawed and biased though. That is BS