tOfficial "2014 LeBron James" Superthread

[trojanfight]

So you're one of the people that just goes back to Cleveland, he left bc of the FO, plain and simple. And now he is in free agency, he is weighing his options like everyone else and making the best move for him. This is most likely the most important decision of his career.

well hes already tainted his image. so guess hell might as well be on 5 different teams before he retires...not 1 not 2...but 3 finals losses. on the bright side shouldn't have to hear anymore LeBron and mount rushmore of basketball in same sentence.

 

[Heatles84]

Then you should also be pissed at wade for not taking 10 mil a year max. he just sat out 1/3 of the season and still had no legs left by the end of the finals.

Wade did have a great regular season, but his numbers significantly benefited from not playing in most back to backs and having extended periods of rest. He basically cherry picked which games to play and the benefit of that should not be understated. That combined with defenses focusing more and more on LeBron and less and less on him inflate some those efficiency numbers.

Popovich does the same shit with his players as well. I'm pissed at Wade's performance, yet I think at his market value, $13 mil per year is about right for his market value, especially considering Manu Ginobli comes off the bench, gets significant rest and makes about $8 mil at the age of 36.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

well hes already tainted his image. so guess hell might as well be on 5 different teams before he retires...not 1 not 2...but 3 finals losses. on the bright side shouldn't have to hear anymore LeBron and mount rushmore of basketball in same sentence.

Both times he lost to the Spurs he wasn't on the best team.
It's fine to finger point at him for the Dallas loss, but the circumstances that year were awkward at best and as a group they pissed a golden opportunity away.

Jordan never lost a Finals, but he lost plenty of series in much earlier rounds.
Same can be said about any other Mt Rushmore candidate.

 

[Jims_Doors]

well lets see what else would you call leaving Cleveland...then when Miami loses in finals considers leaving. basically theatens pat riley improve the already high quality roster or hes out of there....no backbone to build a team up. leshortcut living up to his name

Kobe got bounced in the first round in B2B years and demanded to be traded because of the roster. Here's his comments after the series loss against PHX.

"Do it and do it now," he said. "Personally for me, it's beyond frustration -- three years and still being at ground zero. This summer's a big summer. We have to see what direction we want to take as an organization and make those steps and make them now."

Then that summer he went to media and demanded to be traded.

Guess that means he has no backbone to build a team.....correct?

 

[trojanfight]

Kobe got bounced in the first round in B2B years and demanded to be traded because of the roster. Here's his comments after the series loss against PHX.

"Do it and do it now," he said. "Personally for me, it's beyond frustration -- three years and still being at ground zero. This summer's a big summer. We have to see what direction we want to take as an organization and make those steps and make them now."

Then that summer he went to media and demanded to be traded.

Guess that means he has no backbone to build a team.....correct?

last I checked he stayed on one team his entire career atleast so far....and the big addition was gasol. no 3rd all star. he got max output out of lamar odom and few others...lebrons team that lost easily surpasses the team that won back to back titles with gasol and kobe

 

[Otis B. Driftwood]

...It's fine to finger point at him for the Dallas loss, but the circumstances that year were awkward at best and as a group they pissed a golden opportunity ...

I guess that's one way of looking at it...


Another way is that the Mavs were the better team that season too.

 

[Jims_Doors]

last I checked he stayed on one team his entire career atleast so far....and the big addition was gasol. no 3rd all star. he got max output out of lamar odom and few others...lebrons team that lost easily surpasses the team that won back to back titles with gasol and kobe

It doesn't matter who was brought in. That's not the point.

Your boy threatened Dr. Buss to improve the team or trade him. No backbone to wait for upgrades....just trade me....correct?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I guess that's one way of looking at it...


Another way is that the Mavs were the better team that season too.

To me, any team that wins a 4/7 is the better team...so in hind site I agree.

If I say that though, then it's looking like I'd defend James under any circumstance, which I won't.

The Heat were favored vs Dallas, but neither James team that lost to the Spurs was.

The Heat had opportunities to win the Dallas series, and often James not stepping up during those opportunities is viewed as why we lost.


There was nothing more he could have done against the Spurs in both defeats.

 

[trojanfan12]

It doesn't matter who was brought in. That's not the point.

Your boy threatened Dr. Buss to improve the team or trade him. No backbone to wait for upgrades....just trade me....correct?

And this is the same as actually leaving and now opting out of a contract and threatening to leave, how?

Also, the part you ignored was when he said: "three years and still being at ground zero". Lebron's team just went to 4 straight finals and he's opted out and is threatening to leave. Kobe was coming off of missing the playoffs and 2 first round exits. THAT is a major difference.

Also, later on, he said that he would be playing as hard as ever and trying to win every game once the season started (he had been asked if he would hold out if he wasn't traded). That's exactly what he did and the Lakers were looking much better than the previous 3 seasons when the Gasol trade happened and pushed them over the top.

 

[trojanfan12]

I guess that's one way of looking at it...


Another way is that the Mavs were the better team that season too.

^^^THIS^^^ It was the Heats first season of the Big 3. The Heat were the better collection of talent, the Mavs were the better team.

 

[Jims_Doors]

And this is the same as actually leaving and now opting out of a contract and threatening to leave, how?

Also, the part you ignored was when he said: "three years and still being at ground zero". Lebron's team just went to 4 straight finals and he's opted out and is threatening to leave. Kobe was coming off of missing the playoffs and 2 first round exits. THAT is a major difference.

Also, later on, he said that he would be playing as hard as ever and trying to win every game once the season started (he had been asked if he would hold out if he wasn't traded). That's exactly what he did and the Lakers were looking much better than the previous 3 seasons when the Gasol trade happened and pushed them over the top.

Kobe never went through the down times in his career up until his first year w/o Shaq. They had just gone to the finals 4x times in 5years and won 3 of them. Kobe didn't have to be the man and carry the load "all the time" until Shaq left. 3yrs having to doing so and he's demanding an upgrade or trade me.

All I'm saying is that for a Laker fan (trojanfight) to say James has no backbone, won't wait for a rebuild and is making demands..... is hilarious. James waited for 7years and never once made public demands. Kobe went through it (after already tasting major success) for ONLY 3yrs and decides to go public with trade demands.

I'm done talking about Kobe. Just funny how some Lakers fans have short memories.

 

[GNG]

^^^THIS^^^ It was the Heats first season of the Big 3. The Heat were the better collection of talent, the Mavs were the better team.

A very enjoyable NBA Finals. The Mavs proved the pundits wrong.

 

[trojanfan12]

Kobe never went through the down times in his career up until his first year w/o Shaq. They had just gone to the finals 4x times in 5years and won 3 of them. Kobe didn't have to be the man and carry the load "all the time" until Shaq left. 3yrs having doing so and he's demanding an upgrade or trade me.

All I'm saying is that for a Laker fan (trojanfight) to say James has no backbone, won't wait for a rebuild and is making demands..... is hilarious. James waited for 7years and never once made public demands. Kobe went through it (after already tasting major success) for ONLY 3yrs and decides to go public with trade demands.

I'm done talking about Kobe. Just funny how some Lakers fans have short memories.

Kobe was in the league for about 4 years and experienced no more success than Lebron did in Cleveland. In fact, you could say Lebron had more success because Cleveland played in the finals, Kobe didn't play in the finals until Phil showed up. Then the Lakers had their run with Phil as coach.

Then he waited 3 more years before he made any demands. Also, he made the Lakers aware of his intentions instead of leading them on throughout the free agency process knowing all along that he was never going to re-sign with them.

It seems Lebroniacs have some short memories too.

And if you're done talking about Kobe, why are you constantly bringing him up?

 

[Nooone]

Popovich does the same shit with his players as well. I'm pissed at Wade's performance, yet I think at his market value, $13 mil per year is about right for his market value, especially considering Manu Ginobli comes off the bench, gets significant rest and makes about $8 mil at the age of 36.

So you cite pop and the spurs, but then you put dwades salary at 500K more than Tony Parker?

If Dwade is gonna miss 1/3 and STILL not have gas at the end of the year 10 is as high as he should see. and even that is pushing it, he just flat out needs a 3pt shot to prolong his career

 

[Nooone]

and btw manu ginobili played 68 games this past season

 

[Shanemansj13]

well hes already tainted his image. so guess hell might as well be on 5 different teams before he retires...not 1 not 2...but 3 finals losses. on the bright side shouldn't have to hear anymore LeBron and mount rushmore of basketball in same sentence.

You sound ignorant, he has been on two teams and he is tainted. He already in the top 10 of all-time and he is only 29. Btw...he will be better than butt buddy Kobe

 

[Malibu]

So far...
I'm starting this thread mostly to stop another one from getting further hi-jacked, but partly because I really feel that Lebron is getting a pass in this whole free agency situation.
Lebron is holding Riley and other potential Miami heat fa's up and could further hurt Miami IF he wants that max contract. Sure he DESERVES it, but HE is the guy that popularized the whole taking less for the greater good of the team. Now he(REPORTEDLY) wants a max when he has gangs of endorsements, and tens of millions off the court? I really cant get pass that, but it is being reported by reputable people such as Woj. and in this case Windhorst is reputable as well. It doesn't make sense because he has always been about getting into the right situation...but the heat now have to go bargain shopping again due to him waiting it out. Even he does take less, a guy like Kyle Lowry is already gone. They could of had the money to get him but Lebron is sitting back waiting on Riley to wave his magic wand. I just don't get it, if he preferres Miami, then just end this thing and sign on so that other marquee guys can join. I mean the pg's and big men are going left and right. Riley isn't the one on the clock...LEBRON is

Its pretty simple. LeBron James is a media whore and loves the attention. There is nothing else to it.

 

[tlance]

Don't forget that Kobe essentially chased Shaq out of town and at least "encouraged" the draft day deal that landed him in LA to begin with.

Kobe gets credit for sticking with 1 team his entire career, but lets be real people. It is the freaking Lakers. This is not a level playing field. If Kobe were drafted by his home town 76ers, I guarantee he would not still be playing there.

 

[Shanemansj13]

last I checked he stayed on one team his entire career atleast so far....and the big addition was gasol. no 3rd all star. he got max output out of lamar odom and few others...lebrons team that lost easily surpasses the team that won back to back titles with gasol and kobe

A healthy Bynum was as much of a force than Bosh and LA actually had a bench. Doesn't matter Kobe is still a whiney bitch that demanded a trade, if they gave it to him he would of been on another team as well.

IMO playing in multiple teams is more difficult, you have to gain chemistry with a whole nother group

 

[Jims_Doors]

Kobe was in the league for about 4 years and experienced no more success than Lebron did in Cleveland. In fact, you could say Lebron had more success because Cleveland played in the finals, Kobe didn't play in the finals until Phil showed up. Then the Lakers had their run with Phil as coach.

Then he waited 3 more years before he made any demands. Also, he made the Lakers aware of his intentions instead of leading them on throughout the free agency process knowing all along that he was never going to re-sign with them.

It seems Lebroniacs have some short memories too.

And if you're done talking about Kobe, why are you constantly bringing him up?

He barley played his 1st year and started 1 game his 2nd. Hard to get frustrated when you're not even a starter. He had the best center in the league when he became a regular starter. They were a lot closer of being major contenders in Kobe's first seasons as a stater than James was his first 7yrs.

What intentions was that? Kobe was under contract and the only demand he could make was "trade me". If Luol Deng wasn't included in the deal.....Kobe would have bolted and became a Bull.

As ESPN.com reported on Saturday, the Lakers have asked for Deng, Thomas, guard Ben Gordon and rookie Joakim Noah as the core parts of any trade for Bryant

Deng is very much in play in the conversations between Chicago and Los Angeles, ESPN.com has learned.

And it's mainly because of Bryant's wishes that Deng is still wearing a Chicago uniform.

A source with knowledge of the trade talks said Deng has been included in proposals swapped between the teams, but Bryant has continually threatened to veto almost any deal in which Deng would be included. Bryant wants to be sure that the team he joins has enough talent remaining to compete for the NBA title.

Contrary to most reports, the Bulls remain ready and willing to deal Deng, the source said. But if they're going to include Deng in a deal, they will not part with more than one of the other three, said the source.

Even then, it is not clear that any trade involving Deng would be acceptable to Bryant, who is wielding the power of the NBA's only no-trade clause by threatening to veto certain deals.

Kobe objecting to Deng's inclusion in Bulls-Lakers trade - NBA - ESPN