three shanaban hearings today

[rares]

so does he announce these now because the heat is on Torres and he can hide it under that hate?

That's what I was just about to post (catching up on the action and posts)...

 

[Dacks]

In other news, very surprised that Backstrom's match penalty wasn't rescinded. Not surprised by being surprised by a Shanahan decision. But surprised that I was dead-on about the Pens' suspensions.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

The puck was right on the other side of Couturier. Unless you have much better screen resolution than I have, you can't tell if Neal is looking at the puck or Couturier.

And by way better, I mean government spy quality.

Posting on my phone, so can't get an embedded YouTube to work, but in the one angle, they show from almost perfectly straight behind Neal.

The puck is a couple feet to the left of Couturier, and Neal appears to have his head turned in such a way that he should see Couturier.

Let's not forget, this is a guy skating around in a bright orange jersey, which would be awfully hard to miss unless your head is turned at a 90 degree angle or you have horrible peripheral vision.

 

[rares]

I guess it's official per NBC PHX/CHI announcers... Backstrom got 1 game.

 

[Dacks]

I think we are getting bogged down in a weird tangent.

What do you expect from Darkstone and I? Nerds love tangents.

Neal made a very obvious, very blatant attempt to take off Giroux's head. He mostly missed, but it could have been devastating if he had landed that shot. That should be a 2-3 game suspension for the attempt alone. Then factor in that he committed this second offense less than a minute after the first, and it looks like a player out of control and out for blood, tack on another game for that. 4-5 games would be fair, regardless of whether the first hit was "accidental" or not.

Yeah, I agree. I wasn't impressed with Neal on the second hit, and won't defend it. I would support hits like that getting a match penalty and suspensions. The fact is, that's not the precedent Shanny and the NHL has set. The fact that Giroux is apparently okay (looked bad in the video) is the only reason Neal's not seeing multiple games.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Dumb question....do suspensions carry over?

 

[Darkstone42]

Dumb question....do suspensions carry over?

Yes.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

There is evidence that Neal was targeting Couturier intenionally.

There is also evidence that he wasn't.

You guys seem to completely negate all of the latter.

1) Neal only turned towards Couturier once the puck was turned over - if his intent had been to hit him the whole time, why wasn't he going for him while he had the puck in the first place?

2) Neal was in perfect position to deliver a shoulder-hit, generally regarded as the most devastating. Neal has demonstrated before that he knows how to hit. Why then did he turn at the last second?

Couturier literally had the puck just bounce of his stick, he was never actually carrying the puck, which, in my mind invalidates point number one. Neal didn't have time to target him while he had the puck.

 

[Darkstone42]

I don't think Dacks and I are arguing that the hit was absolutely, unarguably accidental. We're just saying it is possible, and in Shanahan's position, when there is evidence which suggests either is possible, the player's word does need to be considered.

 

[Vadered]

I don't think Dacks and I are arguing that the hit was absolutely, unarguably accidental. We're just saying it is possible, and in Shanahan's position, when there is evidence which suggests either is possible, the player's word does need to be considered.

Stupid fucking scientists and their stupid need for evidence. What do we need that bullshit for? Neal clearly deserves the death sentence. He turned me into a newt!






















I got better.

 

[flyersfan4706]

I don't think Dacks and I are arguing that the hit was absolutely, unarguably accidental. We're just saying it is possible, and in Shanahan's position, when there is evidence which suggests either is possible, the player's word does need to be considered.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I don't think Dacks and I are arguing that the hit was absolutely, unarguably accidental. We're just saying it is possible, and in Shanahan's position, when there is evidence which suggests either is possible, the player's word does need to be considered.

There are just too many factors that I see that tell me that it wasn't completely accidental, which means it needs to be punished. Intent can mitigate or enhance, but I don't see how you can take a guy completely at his word ESPECIALLY with what he does 40 seconds later.

 

[Darkstone42]

There are just too many factors that I see that tell me that it wasn't completely accidental, which means it needs to be punished. Intent can mitigate or enhance, but I don't see how you can take a guy completely at his word ESPECIALLY with what he does 40 seconds later.

Put it in the context of how NHL discipline works.

We all want consistency. They're not punishing right now for not being in control of your body.

 

[Darkstone42]

THAT'S MINE!

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Put it in the context of how NHL discipline works.

We all want consistency. They're not punishing right now for not being in control of your body.

I'll give you that it's not surprising (in fact, I predicted fine only in the series thread), but I still think it was a shit call.

 

[flyersfan4706]

THAT'S MINE!

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Craziest thing is that the Pens are down three players to suspension for this next game.

I don't remember that many players from the same team being suspended at the same time before.

 

[Darkstone42]

Why you little...



I'm going to rep you for one of those when I reload.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Darren Dreger just tweeted to expect 1 game for Backstrom. So he gets the same as Neal and Carkner.....alright....

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

4706 is inside Darkstone's head, doin' science.