Simpson a Viking

[vancelot23]

But it took him 3 years to become a starter. That's insanity. Too little too late, and factor in his off field issues, and I'll be perfectly happy to use a 1st or 2nd round pick on a replacement. That's the NFL. You fuck up, you're replaced. You don't hang on to average players just because it saves you from drafting somebody else. In a deep WR class, there's an above average chance you'll get somebody just as good or better.

 

[kramer1]

Simpson aint average. Simpson was the product of a shit environment. Someone had to get those 700 yards. A competent WR woulda had 1000 yards.

 

[Servo]

But it took him 3 years to become a starter. That's insanity. Too little too late, and factor in his off field issues, and I'll be perfectly happy to use a 1st or 2nd round pick on a replacement. That's the NFL. You fuck up, you're replaced. You don't hang on to average players just because it saves you from drafting somebody else. In a deep WR class, there's an above average chance you'll get somebody just as good or better.

So why not sign Simpson for a 1 year deal, draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd then let them compete? I'm assuming he didn't break the bank...and you would acknowledge that typically it takes a WR at least a year to acclimate and produce. Expecting production out of a rookie is not a good plan of attack.

 

[Tubbs1518]

467 of AJ Greens yards came in 4 games and over half, 557 came in 5 games. Point?

 

[vancelot23]

If you can find me somebody credible who seriously thinks the team would have been better off with Simpson, let me know.

 

[Servo]

If you can find me somebody credible who seriously thinks the team would have been better off with Simpson, let me know.

Find me someone 'credible' that can honestly say Armon Binns (the same undrafted guy cut by a WR starved team that has never suited up for an NFL down) is a better option than Simpson?

Simple question, if Simpson's replacement puts up 1000 yards and 6 TD's in their first 18 games would you be satisfied with those #'s? Or would you say that they're a horrible player and should be replaced by a rookie?

 

[ckhokie]

Find me someone 'credible' that can honestly say Armon Binns (the same undrafted guy cut by a WR starved team that has never suited up for an NFL down) is a better option than Simpson?

That's not the point, and no one is making that argument, smart guy.

Simple question, if Simpson's replacement puts up 1000 yards and 6 TD's in their first 18 games would you be satisfied with those #'s? Or would you say that they're a horrible player and should be replaced by a rookie?

Those weren't his 'first 18 games.' They were the first games he got INTO. Not because he was hurt. Because he was dumb and not good enough to be on the field, which as a 2nd round pick, you should call nothing else but a bust.

 

[cincygrad]

Those weren't his 'first 18 games.' They were the first games he got INTO. Not because he was hurt. Because he was dumb and not good enough to be on the field, which as a 2nd round pick, you should call nothing else but a bust.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a big Simpson fan, but let's not let Marv off the hook here..... He kept the kid inactive for his first 2 3/4 seasons. When he let him in the game, he immediately put together three impressive games. My point being, we don't know whether Simpson would have been an 'average' performer much earlier in his career had Marv not burried him.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Simpson was an athlete first, and a wide receiver second. Green gets away with that because he's a freak. Simpson is athletic, but he's not a freak of nature. Our coaches and QB need a wide receiver that they don't have to bail out of jail and hold his hand.

If he can be given some attention, he'll be a good WR for Minnesota. I may even pick him up in the last round of fantasy football.

 

[cincygrad]

Simpson was an athlete first, and a wide receiver second. Green gets away with that because he's a freak. Simpson is athletic, but he's not a freak of nature. Our coaches and QB need a wide receiver that they don't have to bail out of jail and hold his hand.

If he can be given some attention, he'll be a good WR for Minnesota. I may even pick him up in the last round of fantasy football.

His quarterback is Christian Ponder and his coach is Leslie Frazier. I wouldn't expect much.

 

[JBUCK66]

the draft is lousy with WR's

Marvin said not to worry about it

 

[Servo]

That's not the point, and no one is making that argument, smart guy.



Those weren't his 'first 18 games.' They were the first games he got INTO. Not because he was hurt. Because he was dumb and not good enough to be on the field, which as a 2nd round pick, you should call nothing else but a bust.

Those were the first 18 games he started. Those are the numbers that he posted (1000 yrds, 6 TD's). If you're advocating that we're better off without Simpson then it's either Binns or a rookie as #2 WR. So you tell me, as of right now who is the #2 WR if not Binns?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Ok but would rather have that or Green/Simpson/DeCastro/Gilmore? Because you still have to spend a 1st on a WR without Simpson.

McNutt in the 3rd, doesn't have to be a 1st, not that is what Bengals management is thinking, but McNutt in the 3rd is a steal. Forget 1st round WR.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Those were the first 18 games he started. Those are the numbers that he posted (1000 yrds, 6 TD's). If you're advocating that we're better off without Simpson then it's either Binns or a rookie as #2 WR. So you tell me, as of right now who is the #2 WR if not Binns?

Draft or June 1st cuts on expensive veterans who have backloaded contracts.

 

[bengaldoug]

It amazes me that this issue stirred up so much fuss. Simpson was a guy with above average physical talent who never played up to it because he's stupid and has off the field issues. It's just as simple as that. There will be free agents around after the final cuts who could do as well.

 

[Cincyfan78]

AJ had 10 games of over 50 yards. He had 5 or more receptions 7 times.

AJ had 467 yards in 4 games, but it only made up 31% of his total yards on 35% of his receptions. Even with nearly 50% of his totals in 5 games, the final 10 games (on average) he put up 3+ receptions for 50 or more yards, and AJ missed an entire game, and (I can't recall excatly) but I don't believe he returned in the 2nd half when he got hurt in Pitt.

Simpson in his additional games outside of his 3 big average just 2 receptions for 25 yards, and had 2 zero catch games, and two 1 catch games. He would disapear for stretches (multi game stretches). Even with teams gearing towards AJ, he was able to get to where he needed to be and catch the ball.

AJ was more consistent (as we can all agree), but that's really not the case in all of this.

The case is: I can't even believe people are so worried about replacing a guy that Palmer threw out of the huddle one game (maybe practice) because he didn't know the plays being called and told him not to come back until he knew the plays.

Could Marvin have played him? Yeah, maybe. But, by all accounts, the guy NEVER knew the plays. Whether by lack of studying or being completely stupid, either way, he didn't earn his way onto that field.

AJ is going to command attention. Whoever is playing opposite of him is going to benefit. Imagine having a real WR that catches the ball, knows the playbook, and does all the things to earn his spot on the team, as opposed to Simpson who was given the job pretty much by default last year with the scraps that were left, especially after Shipley's injury.

 

[Servo]

AJ had 10 games of over 50 yards. He had 5 or more receptions 7 times.

AJ had 467 yards in 4 games, but it only made up 31% of his total yards on 35% of his receptions. Even with nearly 50% of his totals in 5 games, the final 10 games (on average) he put up 3+ receptions for 50 or more yards, and AJ missed an entire game, and (I can't recall excatly) but I don't believe he returned in the 2nd half when he got hurt in Pitt.

Simpson in his additional games outside of his 3 big average just 2 receptions for 25 yards, and had 2 zero catch games, and two 1 catch games. He would disapear for stretches (multi game stretches). Even with teams gearing towards AJ, he was able to get to where he needed to be and catch the ball.

AJ was more consistent (as we can all agree), but that's really not the case in all of this.

The case is: I can't even believe people are so worried about replacing a guy that Palmer threw out of the huddle one game (maybe practice) because he didn't know the plays being called and told him not to come back until he knew the plays.

Could Marvin have played him? Yeah, maybe. But, by all accounts, the guy NEVER knew the plays. Whether by lack of studying or being completely stupid, either way, he didn't earn his way onto that field.

AJ is going to command attention. Whoever is playing opposite of him is going to benefit. Imagine having a real WR that catches the ball, knows the playbook, and does all the things to earn his spot on the team, as opposed to Simpson who was given the job pretty much by default last year with the scraps that were left, especially after Shipley's injury.

I dont have an issue replacing Simpson. I have an issue with replacing Simpson this late in the game. If they knew they were going to get rid of him they should've signed a #2. Now all we can do is hope the draft plays out just right (or inevitably reach for a WR in one of the high rounds) or as Crash suggested go the 'one man's garbage...' route and wait for cuts. Problem with that is that it takes time for a WR (even a vet) to learn the playbook and build a rapport with the QB. The rule with rookie WR's is that it takes them a year (at least) to acclimate (was listening to Jerry Rice this morning talking about how big of an adjustment it is for rookie WR's...he only started 4 games as a rook). So yeah, I think at this point Simpson was by far the best option. We all know what he struggled with. that being said logic would dictate that he would've improved with another year with Dalton and of experience. he's still young and if you sign him on a one year deal what is the harm? Also worht noting that to Simpson's credit he had his biggest games when he didnt have AJ playing opposite to him.

To me, this whole thing reminds me of running off Ahmad Brooks (which I'm sure was celebrated at the time). afterall, another dumb, talented guy with off the field issues.

 

[ckhokie]

I dont have an issue replacing Simpson. I have an issue with replacing Simpson this late in the game. If they knew they were going to get rid of him they should've signed a #2.

I stopped reading after this. Simpson is suspended for the first 3 games of the season. It's not 'to late in the game' when he wasn't even going to be a factor until September 30th.

If we're still talking about Binns being our #2 by Sept 30, then yes, you have a point, but I don't even think our inept coaches and ownership will let that happen.

 

[Cincyfan78]

This is a deep draft for WR's. We don't have to reach in any round to get a decent guy to help fill in.

All the guy has to do is make a few catches (i.e. don't drop the ball) and not completely disapear for large stretches through multiple games, and he'll at least be on par with Simpson's stats from last year. The rookie may not have the play making athleticism that Simpson has, but you still only get 6 points for a TD...even if you flip into the endzone and stick the landing.

 

[Servo]

I stopped reading after this. Simpson is suspended for the first 3 games of the season. It's not 'to late in the game' when he wasn't even going to be a factor until September 30th.

If we're still talking about Binns being our #2 by Sept 30, then yes, you have a point, but I don't even think our inept coaches and ownership will let that happen.

best case scenario is that Floyd is there at 17. I dont think that happens and by letting Simpson go I think they put themselves in a position where they reach on either Hill or Wright at 21. Lukcily, they have two first round picks thanks to the Carson heist but this whole situation was handled about as poorly as it possibly could have been by Bengals management. Now, you have to rely on the draft (and you have no clue if the WR you want will be available) or cast aways from other teams (again, have no clue at this point who will be available). Seems to me that there never was a real plan as to how to address WR. Oh well, it is what it is. Keeping my fingers crossed for Floyd.