Should the Rams Trade for Philips Rivers?

[RamsFan88]

If it's 2013 Foles, then it's a no brainer, you stay with Foles.

If it's 2014 Foles, injuries and inconsistent play, then I'll take Rivers. With the way the league treats QB's, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rivers play until he's 39 or 40, and still be productive for the next 4 years.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Now he's 33?

If he's 32 in a few more posts I'm in.

Don't get me wrong, I like Rivers' fire. But he throws plenty of bad picks and hasn't won a dam thing. At 31 I'm all in !!

I'll take Foles at 27. Yeah it's a no brainer

Considering he is 33 til December 2015, that would make him 33. Like I said, I get it, you would take a mediocre QB entering his prime, who has accomplished zip, zero, & zilch, over a 5 time pro bowl QB who happens to be near the top of some all time passing leader boards, for the next 3-4 years.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Hey, I am fans of the Broncos and Cardinals, but I don't like Carson Palmer. I like Manning, but I wish he would have just retired because the Broncos have lost their good window of opportunity and Manning is not the QB he was in the season that they got blown out by the Seahawks.

I agree with you I believe Manning is too old now. but rivers is not near as old as him. And doesn't have a spinal cord problem In his neck.

 

[27mtrcougar]

He's 33 for the record. Which isn't that old for a quarterback. Hes not a running back. Peyton Manning is 39.

 

[27mtrcougar]

I am chilling. I just think the idea that anyone would take 3-4 years of Foles over 3-4 years of Rivers is ludicrous.

I get it, fans are homer who are prone to hyperbole, but sometimes it's a little too much.

I'm glad someone else said it. i thought I was going nuts or something actually wanting a top 5 QB on our team.

 

[SJ76]

Ok so what are we gonna give up for this 33 year old 5 time All-Pro QB? And is it really worth it? Is he - at 33 - that much better than Foles who is actually entering his prime.

A NFL QB is NOT entering his prime at 33, 34, or 35. That's called the decline. We don't need another former Pro Bowler on the decline of his career. We've tried it.


As I said before, this team is young and improving. We're not ready to win a super bowl. We could compete to get in the playoffs and we haven't been able to say that for over a decade.

 

[SJ76]

He's 33 for the record. Which isn't that old for a quarterback. Hes not a running back. Peyton Manning is 39.

You just said Manning was too old and Rivers is no Peyton Manning. Rivers has thrown plenty of bad picks over the years and led his team to JACK SQUAT.

My goodness people. Why in the heck do you think San Diego is trying to move him?

 

[Ojb81]

Now he's 33?

If he's 32 in a few more posts I'm in.

Don't get me wrong, I like Rivers' fire. But he throws plenty of bad picks and hasn't won a dam thing. At 31 I'm all in !!

I'll take Foles at 27. Yeah it's a no brainer

Rivers has won plenty. I am so sick of people saying shit like "hasnt won a damn thing", simply because that player may not have a superbowl ring. Give me a fucking break, football's the ultimate team game. There are 22 men on the field at any given time, and it takes a special blend of talent, chemistry, hunger and leadership to get to the top of the NFL mountain. I would DEFINITELY take rivers over fole, i'd be a dumbass NOT to. Rivers is 33, and assuming he doesnt suffer any major injuries, he has at LEAST 3, if not 4, strong seasons left. He brings out the best in his teammates that most qb's (even good ones), cant do on a regular basis. Given that the dude is rarely hurt, and that he has that "warrior" disposition, it would be a no-brainer for me.

Carry on

 

[Ojb81]

You just said Manning was too old and Rivers is no Peyton Manning. Rivers has thrown plenty of bad picks over the years and led his team to JACK SQUAT.

My goodness people. Why in the heck do you think San Diego is trying to move him?

Well, if the chargers really think that they'll be playing in LA soon, perhaps there have already been closed-door discussions with the team and phillip, and he's telling them he isnt on board with the move and he'd rather look for another opportunity with another team. Perhaps the Chargers digest this reality, and make a business decision that theyve already gotten MORE than their money's worth with him having been their QB for the last decade, and that its best to move on now while he still has a relatively strong trade value, and before any messes can be made with future contract negotiations

 

[27mtrcougar]

Ok so what are we gonna give up for this 33 year old 5 time All-Pro QB? And is it really worth it? Is he - at 33 - that much better than Foles who is actually entering his prime.

A NFL QB is NOT entering his prime at 33, 34, or 35. That's called the decline. We don't need another former Pro Bowler on the decline of his career. We've tried it.


As I said before, this team is young and improving. We're not ready to win a super bowl. We could compete to get in the playoffs and we haven't been able to say that for over a decade.

I would offer them Foles and swap first-round picks so we would pick 17 instead of 10. I think that's a better deal for them then just getting Mariota at 2. Plus Madiota is a unknown. They know Foles can play. It's just a pipe dream because Rivers isn't going to want to come to St. Louis I understand that. And unless he would sign an extension with us it certainly wouldnt be worth doing for one year. But make no mistake if there is a way we can get him they need to make it happen!! Don't sell us short SJ our D is plenty good and with a vet and leader like him on offense we could be in the super bowl. If Trent dilfer did it... Rivers is 10x better.

 

[SJ76]

Again, what do you give up for a 33 year old 5 time pro bowl QB? His best years are behind him. He may a few good years coming up or he may get hurt too.


He's not 3x better than Nick Foles at 27. I like Rivers and his fire, but the Rams have tried the 32-34 year old former All Pro and it's never worked out.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Well, if the chargers really think that they'll be playing in LA soon, perhaps there have already been closed-door discussions with the team and phillip, and he's telling them he isnt on board with the move and he'd rather look for another opportunity with another team. Perhaps the Chargers digest this reality, and make a business decision that theyve already gotten MORE than their money's worth with him having been their QB for the last decade, and that its best to move on now while he still has a relatively strong trade value, and before any messes can be made with future contract negotiations

Exactly. If Rivers has told the Chargers he won't play for them they mise will get something for him. Rumors are Rivers is fed up with San Diego's management too.

 

[SJ76]

I would offer them Foles and swap first-round picks so we would pick 17 instead of 10. I think that's a better deal for them then just getting Mariota at 2. Plus Madiota is a unknown. They know Foles can play. It's just a pipe dream because Rivers isn't going to want to come to St. Louis I understand that. And unless he would sign an extension with us it certainly wouldnt be worth doing for one year. But make no mistake if there is a way we can get him they need to make it happen!! Don't sell us short SJ our D is plenty good and with a vet and leader like him on offense we could be in the super bowl. If Trent dilfer did it... Rivers is 10x better.

Coug you are all over the map comparing Apples to Oranges. If Dilfer won a super bowl because of a good defense and ball control, then why give up more for an older QB to play game manager? Why not see what Foles has the next 3 years in his PRIME? You need to understand what the game plan is. We don't have an air attack anymore. Yes you need a balanced attack to win, but we feast on the ground and playing D. That's our plan. Bring in a Vet QB and what do you think he's going to want to do?

Rivers is the king of bad timing INTs, which is why he hasn't won a dam thing. The Chargers were in position to win a few big games the past 10 years, but it was always Phillip throwing an INT that sealed it.

If all we need is a game manager and our team is building for the future, this makes no sense at all.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Again, what do you give up for a 33 year old 5 time pro bowl QB? His best years are behind him. He may a few good years coming up or he may get hurt too.


He's not 3x better than Nick Foles at 27. I like Rivers and his fire, but the Rams have tried the 32-34 year old former All Pro and it's never worked out.

The reality is no one knows really what Foles is. He had one good year and one bad. Rivers is elite and easily has 4 good years left in him. He gives us the best shot at winning a super bowl in the next few years. I guarantee you if Rivers was on our team tomorrow you would see the Vegas odds of us winning the Super Bowl dramatically change for the better. You could always draft a QB next year and let him sit and learn from Rivers to for the future.

 

[SJ76]

What did San Diego do outside winning their division? Hell I remember Tebow and the Broncos won the division.


ANSWER:
His career playoff stats are as follows:
Game 1 (Loss, 24-21 vs. New England): 14-32, 230 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.
Game 2 (Win, 17-6 vs. Tennessee): 19-30, 292 YD, 1TD, 1 INT.
Game 3 (Win, 28-24 vs. Indianapolis): 14-19, 264 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.
Game 4 (Loss, 21-12 vs. New England): 19-37, 211 YD, 0 TD, 2 INT.
Game 5 (Win, 23-17 vs. Indianapolis): 20-36, 217 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.
Game 6 (Loss, 35-24 vs. Pittsburgh): 21-35, 308 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.
Game 7 (Loss, 17-14 vs. NYJ): 27-40, 298 YD, 1 TD, 2 INT.



9 INTs in 7 games. Yeah sounds great.

 

[shopson67]

You have to factor in salary into this discussion. Is Rivers' $17.4M cap hit for 2015 a better investment than Foles' $1.5M cap hit? Hell no, especially with the Rams essentially capped out for 2015. Rams would have to shed $16M in players to make the switch, plus give up whatever draft capital would get the deal done. Plus, on top of all that, they would have to assure Rivers that they aren't (lol) moving to LA to get him to extend his contract.

No, non, nein, nyet, etc...

 

[27mtrcougar]

What did San Diego do outside winning their division? Hell I remember Tebow and the Broncos won the division.


ANSWER:
His career playoff stats are as follows:
Game 1 (Loss, 24-21 vs. New England): 14-32, 230 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.
Game 2 (Win, 17-6 vs. Tennessee): 19-30, 292 YD, 1TD, 1 INT.
Game 3 (Win, 28-24 vs. Indianapolis): 14-19, 264 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.
Game 4 (Loss, 21-12 vs. New England): 19-37, 211 YD, 0 TD, 2 INT.
Game 5 (Win, 23-17 vs. Indianapolis): 20-36, 217 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.
Game 6 (Loss, 35-24 vs. Pittsburgh): 21-35, 308 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.
Game 7 (Loss, 17-14 vs. NYJ): 27-40, 298 YD, 1 TD, 2 INT.



9 INTs in 7 games. Yeah sounds great.

So he has big time playoff experience that's not a bad thing. You should post his career stats like the 94 quarterback rating while you're at it.

 

[27mtrcougar]

You have to factor in salary into this discussion. Is Rivers' $17.4M cap hit for 2015 a better investment than Foles' $1.5M cap hit? Hell no, especially with the Rams essentially capped out for 2015. Rams would have to shed $16M in players to make the switch, plus give up whatever draft capital would get the deal done. Plus, on top of all that, they would have to assure Rivers that they aren't (lol) moving to LA to get him to extend his contract.

No, non, nein, nyet, etc...

Yes the salary is big but he is an elite quarterback so They get paid. You have to think next year Foles is going to get at least 8 million a year and that's probably conservative if he has a decent year. Money wise no it's not a good deal this year. Unless of course we win the super bowl....

 

[SJ76]

So he has big time playoff experience that's not a bad thing. You should post his career stats like the 94 quarterback rating while you're at it.

Coug... What big time experience? He's thrown 9 INTS in 7 games and a few of those were GAME OVER INTs.


Oh joy his QB rating.. You do understand he's on the decline of his career right? Like Drew Bennett, like Jake Long, like Wells.. We've seen this movie before. His QB rating is irrevelent because his best years are behind him. Which is why we are going with Nick Foles, who shown some flash and he's got 3-4 more years in his prime.

Not to mention, ALL WE NEED IS A GAME MANAGER that makes good decisions! Rivers is a gun slinger. He's a Favre type QB no doubt and I would think about it if it was Foles for Rivers, BUT IT'S NOT HAPPNIN MAN. Their is a youth movement on the Rams and that's the way it is.

You can't just throw crap against the wall and hope it sticks my man.

 

[27mtrcougar]

I'm not The one throwing crap against the wall. Where is this decline you speak of? He has averaged over 4000 yards for the last 7 years!! Including 4300yds last year with 31 touchdowns. Yes he is a gunslinger and will throw some interceptions but that doesn't mean you can't win the Super Bowl