Post Your Top 3 AL/NL MVP/CYA - End of August

[ericd7633]

Rizzo is batting .222 in September, the Cubs record is 10-5 = clutch

Harper is batting .417 in September, the Nats record is 9-6 = not clutch

 

[ericd7633]

Rizzo bats .181 with 2 RBI's, and 1 run against the Pirates this series, cubs go 2-1 = clutch

Harper bats .250 with 2 HR's, 2 RBI's, and 3 runs against the Mets a week ago, Nats go 0-3 = not clutch

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The point was Harper's year doesn't guarantee him to win because it's not all that special. Not memorable even a little bit.

 

[ericd7633]

Rizzo's OPS in Innings 7-9: .803 = clutch

Harper's OPS in Innings 7-9: .968 = not clutch

 

[rmilia1]

Oh but congrats to Harper on another home run even if it is totally and completely irrelevant and unimportant. Real neat

 

[Villain]

You dont. You use stats to qualify a great year. You just can't sign value to it because the season itself has no value. You can be a great player on a bad team. You just can't be the MVP

If you don't use stats, then what do you do?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Another Cubs win in a huge game and another Rizzo game winning rbi. Ho hum. Typical night.

Meanwhile, due to Rizzo's sub-par playing in September, he's a day or two away from dropping below McCutchen statistically.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

If you don't use stats, then what do you do?

Clearly what you do is pick the best player on a 3rd place team and go with it. Don't forget to ignore the handful of NL players having better seasons.

 

[rmilia1]

If you don't use stats, then what do you do?

I used stats earlier to CLEARLY show that Harper has been terrible in games vs good teams. The same stats show Rizzo to be outstanding. All of you then back pedaled and claimed every game is the same which we ALL know is a crock of shit. Harper has done his damage vs bad teams in irrelevant gamea. That's FACT. If you guys want to reward him for that then that's your prerogative.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Meanwhile, due to Rizzo's sub-par playing in September, he's a day or two away from dropping below McCutchen statistically.

AR - .276/.386/.516/.902
AM - .298/.397/.502/.899

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

All of you then back pedaled and claimed every game is the same which we ALL know is a crock of shit.

The MLB is now weighting games differently in the standings? When the hell did that happen?!

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

If you guys want to reward him for that then that's your prerogative

It's most likely going to be the Writers Association's prerogative, too. They tend to reward historically significant seasons by players even if their teams don't make the playoffs.

 

[Villain]

I used stats earlier to CLEARLY show that Harper has been terrible in games vs good teams.

So you only like the numbers that fit your points. The rest are for "stat nerds." Got it.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I used stats earlier to CLEARLY show that Harper has been terrible in games vs good teams. The same stats show Rizzo to be outstanding.

vs teams .500+

Harper - .288 AVG, .985 OPS, 13 HR
Rizzo - .325 AVG, 1.002 OPS, 14 HR

If Harper's "terrible" in those games, then Rizzo is pretty bad himself.

 

[Villain]

Why We Feel How We Feel About Clutch | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[rmilia1]

Vs non playoff team the Nats are 13 over .500 and Harper is hitting nearly .350. Vs playoff teams the Nats are 8 under .500 and Harper is hitting .269.... not clutch. Not important. Irrelevant. Vs non playoff teams Cubs are 15 over .500 and Rizzo is hitting .257. Vs playoff teams Cubs are 8 over .500 and Rizzo is hitting .321 with 9 game winning rbi in just those games. That's the difference in the 2 teams. One is led by a guy who balls in big games and the other is led by a guy who bails in big games.

 

[rmilia1]

vs teams .500+

Harper - .288 AVG, .985 OPS, 13 HR
Rizzo - .325 AVG, 1.002 OPS, 14 HR

If Harper's "terrible" in those games, then Rizzo is pretty bad himself.

Above .500 isn't playoff teams

 

[StanMarsh51]

Vs non playoff team the Nats are 13 over .500 and Harper is hitting nearly .350. Vs playoff teams the Nats are 8 under .500 and Harper is hitting .269.... not clutch. Not important. Irrelevant. Vs non playoff teams Cubs are 15 over .500 and Rizzo is hitting .257. Vs playoff teams Cubs are 8 over .500 and Rizzo is hitting .321 with 9 game winning rbi in just those games. That's the difference in the 2 teams. One is led by a guy who balls in big games and the other is led by a guy who bails in big games.

So if a team is 1-2 games out of a playoff spot right now, Rizzo/Harper's stats vs them aren't important?

 

[rmilia1]

So if a team is 1-2 games out of a playoff spot right now, Rizzo/Harper's stats vs them aren't important?

There isn't an above .500 team Harper has played against this year that is 1 or 2 gamea out of a playoff spot. Not one.

 

[rmilia1]

Harper also has the luxury of playing in the worst division in baseball while Rizzo plays in by far the best