politics thread

[Sharkinva]

It proves they are isolated incidences and considering only a preponderance of evidence is needed, it really proves nothing. In these cases, there are usually other reasons they were fired. 5he plaintiff tries to show there was some tie in to race or sexuality.

So you agree black people do it too. It is called human nature.

Since there are more of us, shouldn’t more of us be doing the crime? The victim is doing nothing but exist. The criminal has to actually do something.

So, it has nothing to do with race. It is a socioeconomic issue. Why keep complaining about race then?

You see. You brought up the few cases of lynching and black men being drug behind a car. I just refuted your statements showing the opposite because it isn’t a rampant problem. It is an individual and rare issue.

YOu posted an article that was particularly targets towards interracial crime, that shows blacks target whites for crimes more.

Again as i stated, if Im going to target some one for a crime, why target some one in the same situation as I am in that particular case??

And you point out that there are a few cases. The reality is, its not a big problem in your world because you or your children are not likely to be targets to be lynched, or pulled over because they are black. Flip side, the targeting of whites for crimes does bother you because.. well you are after all white. Which means that the odds of me getting mugged by another black man are not as high as you getting mugged in the same area. And the odds of you getting targets for a hate crime for your race, are much lower than the odds for it happening to me.

BUt... for your reading enjoyment

White supremacists' favorite myths about black crime rates take another hit from BJS study

Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

 

[skinsdad62]

YOu posted an article that was particularly targets towards interracial crime, that shows blacks target whites for crimes more.

Again as i stated, if Im going to target some one for a crime, why target some one in the same situation as I am in that particular case??

And you point out that there are a few cases. The reality is, its not a big problem in your world because you or your children are not likely to be targets to be lynched, or pulled over because they are black. Flip side, the targeting of whites for crimes does bother you because.. well you are after all white. Which means that the odds of me getting mugged by another black man are not as high as you getting mugged in the same area. And the odds of you getting targets for a hate crime for your race, are much lower than the odds for it happening to me.

BUt... for your reading enjoyment

White supremacists' favorite myths about black crime rates take another hit from BJS study

Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

you know my freinds of color tell me over and over again they are targets because of race when dealing with police . my conclusion is they are right because its continually said over and over again by people all over the country . same with other aspects of hiring and firing so i have to agree there is an issue

now the soros backed southern poverty law center probably wouldnt convince me of much at all because its mostly socialist propaganda , so to convince a GK you will need an acceptable non biased site to link to make him take notice

me i asked my friends so my position has moved from earlier stances so it can be done

 

[Sharkinva]

you know my freinds of color tell me over and over again they are targets because of race when dealing with police . my conclusion is they are right because its continually said over and over again by people all over the country . same with other aspects of hiring and firing so i have to agree there is an issue

now the soros backed southern poverty law center probably wouldnt convince me of much at all because its mostly socialist propaganda , so to convince a GK you will need an acceptable non biased site to link to make him take notice

me i asked my friends so my position has moved from earlier stances so it can be done

The Article i linked links directly to the DOJ (Government) Studies sighted.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

So unless the DOJ is trying to downplay the non white criminal element.... Im going to roll with reality on this one just a little.

 

[gkekoa]

YOu posted an article that was particularly targets towards interracial crime, that shows blacks target whites for crimes more.

Again as i stated, if Im going to target some one for a crime, why target some one in the same situation as I am in that particular case??

And you point out that there are a few cases. The reality is, its not a big problem in your world because you or your children are not likely to be targets to be lynched, or pulled over because they are black. Flip side, the targeting of whites for crimes does bother you because.. well you are after all white. Which means that the odds of me getting mugged by another black man are not as high as you getting mugged in the same area. And the odds of you getting targets for a hate crime for your race, are much lower than the odds for it happening to me.

BUt... for your reading enjoyment

White supremacists' favorite myths about black crime rates take another hit from BJS study

Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

I posted that to show you white people arent the only people treating other races poorly. I would say blacks treat other races far worse based on he facts.

Because they are easier victims.

You and your family are not likely to be lynched either. My family won’t be pulled over for being black but they may be pulled over for doing other things, minor things, but won’t fall onto their black sword.

Why am I getting mugged in your scenario but you are a target of a hate crime? That alone screams bias.

As for the article, thanks because it backs up my point. White on black crime is no worse than black on white crime...it is actually better. Maybe blacks are more racist than whites...I would hypothesize that as true.

 

[gkekoa]

you know my freinds of color tell me over and over again they are targets because of race when dealing with police . my conclusion is they are right because its continually said over and over again by people all over the country . same with other aspects of hiring and firing so i have to agree there is an issue

now the soros backed southern poverty law center probably wouldnt convince me of much at all because its mostly socialist propaganda , so to convince a GK you will need an acceptable non biased site to link to make him take notice

me i asked my friends so my position has moved from earlier stances so it can be done

I would tend to listen to my friends but even then, their views can be biased by their interaction.

I have no problem with that article because what it shows statistically is true. Crime is mostly color blind and a better indicator is who we are near and who we interact with. I have always stated that as truth. My point to the whole thing is criminals and victims come in every race, color, and creed with small variations in statistical signicance.

I do believe that blacks can be treated differently on an individual basis. There are factors other than race at work though, the biggest is culture followed by conduct in the interaction.

 

[Sharkinva]

I posted that to show you white people arent the only people treating other races poorly. I would say blacks treat other races far worse based on he facts.

Because they are easier victims.

You and your family are not likely to be lynched either. My family won’t be pulled over for being black but they may be pulled over for doing other things, minor things, but won’t fall onto their black sword.

Why am I getting mugged in your scenario but you are a target of a hate crime? That alone screams bias.

As for the article, thanks because it backs up my point. White on black crime is no worse than black on white crime...it is actually better. Maybe blacks are more racist than whites...I would hypothesize that as true.

There is your sword boss.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...deral-statistics-show/?utm_term=.e37ce730cf12

When is the last time a black man walked into a white church and opened fire stating he did it because they were all trying to kill black people.

You know I actually agree with you that as a whole Blacks are probably more openly racist against whites. But then one has to ask, is there any possible reason for that??

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[skinsdad62]

The Article i linked links directly to the DOJ (Government) Studies sighted.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

So unless the DOJ is trying to downplay the non white criminal element.... Im going to roll with reality on this one just a little.

That’s the one you should use

 

[gkekoa]

There is your sword boss.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...deral-statistics-show/?utm_term=.e37ce730cf12

When is the last time a black man walked into a white church and opened fire stating he did it because they were all trying to kill black people.

You know I actually agree with you that as a whole Blacks are probably more openly racist against whites. But then one has to ask, is there any possible reason for that??

So let me get this straight. They took polls on people who were pulled over and are using perception as a statistic? Could it be blacks were searched more often because of how they interact with the police? Could it be that a higher percentage of those searches yield higher findings? Again, I would say there is a higher predictor of searches based on how a person pulled over carries themselves in the stop. I have been pulled over many, many times. All of which I deserved. I got tickets on all but two of them. The first was when I was in HS and was pulling out of Pizza Inn without my headlights on. It was well lit and I didn’t realize my lights were not on. The cop pulled me over, I was respectful, asked if me or my friends were drinking, we all said no and he let us go. He had a reason to pull me over, honest mistake on my part that could happen to anybody, and he lets me go. Another time, I was apparently following a Mac truck to closely, I was polite and said you pulled me over so I must be in the wrong and he let me go with a warning. The other times, I was a dick, and got a ticket.

I am not sure about the church thing but Frederick Scott murdered six white people because he wanted to kill all white people. For the record, Dylan Roof needs to die because he is a POS.

Well, if you have to ask why blacks are more openly racist than whites and if there is a reason, wouldn’t it be acceptable to ask why some whites are racist and if there is a reason for that?

 

[Sharkinva]

So let me get this straight. They took polls on people who were pulled over and are using perception as a statistic? Could it be blacks were searched more often because of how they interact with the police? Could it be that a higher percentage of those searches yield higher findings? Again, I would say there is a higher predictor of searches based on how a person pulled over carries themselves in the stop. I have been pulled over many, many times. All of which I deserved. I got tickets on all but two of them. The first was when I was in HS and was pulling out of Pizza Inn without my headlights on. It was well lit and I didn’t realize my lights were not on. The cop pulled me over, I was respectful, asked if me or my friends were drinking, we all said no and he let us go. He had a reason to pull me over, honest mistake on my part that could happen to anybody, and he lets me go. Another time, I was apparently following a Mac truck to closely, I was polite and said you pulled me over so I must be in the wrong and he let me go with a warning. The other times, I was a dick, and got a ticket.

I am not sure about the church thing but Frederick Scott murdered six white people because he wanted to kill all white people. For the record, Dylan Roof needs to die because he is a POS.

Well, if you have to ask why blacks are more openly racist than whites and if there is a reason, wouldn’t it be acceptable to ask why some whites are racist and if there is a reason for that?

First, Im not going to post some ones opinion poll. SO usually if I point something out, it has some sort of official agency backing. You are big on Stats. And these stats again come from the DOJ, so I kinda think they hold water.

As for why blacks were searched more, sure it could have been the whole interaction. But it could just as well and more likely be a long standing mentality in law enforcement that he is black, he must have done something.

As for why blacks might be more inherently racist? It might have something to do with the fact that up until the last 30 years or less, as a group the black community has been treated worse than a dog white America had no more use for.

And up until that same 30 years or less, it was totally acceptable for white Americans to treat non whites as inferior.

Now I think both groups have alot of work to do to get rid of the long standing ingrained hate. But the reasons for that hate are polar opposites.

 

[gkekoa]

First, Im not going to post some ones opinion poll. SO usually if I point something out, it has some sort of official agency backing. You are big on Stats. And these stats again come from the DOJ, so I kinda think they hold water.

As for why blacks were searched more, sure it could have been the whole interaction. But it could just as well and more likely be a long standing mentality in law enforcement that he is black, he must have done something.

As for why blacks might be more inherently racist? It might have something to do with the fact that up until the last 30 years or less, as a group the black community has been treated worse than a dog white America had no more use for.

And up until that same 30 years or less, it was totally acceptable for white Americans to treat non whites as inferior.

Now I think both groups have alot of work to do to get rid of the long standing ingrained hate. But the reasons for that hate are polar opposites.

Actually, one of the polls used was person who was pulled over perception of if they did something. You posted it. Government can back a poll of perception.

Do you believe black people and white people act the same during a stop?

So if you admit blacks are now treated better, why do you keep falling back on the blacks were treated poorly years ago trap?

I am almost 42 and it has never in my time been ok to treat non-whites as inferior.

They are polar opposites. Whites treated blacks horribly years ago. Now blacks want to treat whites who had nothing to do with it in the same manner. Got it...hypocrisy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Actually, one of the polls used was person who was pulled over perception of if they did something. You posted it. Government can back a poll of perception.

Do you believe black people and white people act the same during a stop?

So if you admit blacks are now treated better, why do you keep falling back on the blacks were treated poorly years ago trap?

I am almost 42 and it has never in my time been ok to treat non-whites as inferior.

They are polar opposites. Whites treated blacks horribly years ago. Now blacks want to treat whites who had nothing to do with it in the same manner. Got it...hypocrisy.

NO I dont believe blacks and whites act the same during a stop. BUt i think that is a byproduct of years of the two groups not being treated the same during stops. You were raised to think the police were there to protect you. I came up thinking the police were there to harass people like me, and they usually did not disappoint.

As for being treated better... seriously. Going from being treated like a non citizen, to being treated like a second class citizen is not really the HUGE wonder that you are trying to make it out to be. Its almost like you are asking me, why cant you be happy that you are no longer slaves and stop actually striving to be treated as equals.

IM 50 and have been called the N word, Boy, and a few other choice words by law enforcement within the last 20 years of MY life. I would also hedge a bet and say that at least one, and likey two of our regular posters were alive, and at least subject to segregation in the tail end.

Whites have treated blacks as second class citizens in MY life time. Hell in your life time. Hypocrisy is saying, I didnt own slaves thus I did not or have not benefited from the culture it bred . Or insinuating that black folks should just be glad we are in the US because shit could be worse.

I would never wish your children to be subject to what my grandfather was. But I would also never tell my sons that because I have never been arrested, or they have never been in trouble, that they can simply ignore what other blacks have done in a negative fashion.. because it wasnt them after all. And i damn sure wouldnt insinuate that the best way to fix what is wrong with this country is for every one to just adopt anglo american culture.

 

[gkekoa]

NO I dont believe blacks and whites act the same during a stop. BUt i think that is a byproduct of years of the two groups not being treated the same during stops. You were raised to think the police were there to protect you. I came up thinking the police were there to harass people like me, and they usually did not disappoint.

As for being treated better... seriously. Going from being treated like a non citizen, to being treated like a second class citizen is not really the HUGE wonder that you are trying to make it out to be. Its almost like you are asking me, why cant you be happy that you are no longer slaves and stop actually striving to be treated as equals.

IM 50 and have been called the N word, Boy, and a few other choice words by law enforcement within the last 20 years of MY life. I would also hedge a bet and say that at least one, and likey two of our regular posters were alive, and at least subject to segregation in the tail end.

Whites have treated blacks as second class citizens in MY life time. Hell in your life time. Hypocrisy is saying, I didnt own slaves thus I did not or have not benefited from the culture it bred . Or insinuating that black folks should just be glad we are in the US because shit could be worse.

I would never wish your children to be subject to what my grandfather was. But I would also never tell my sons that because I have never been arrested, or they have never been in trouble, that they can simply ignore what other blacks have done in a negative fashion.. because it wasnt them after all. And i damn sure wouldnt insinuate that the best way to fix what is wrong with this country is for every one to just adopt anglo american culture.

Do you believe it is better to be respectful or belligerent during a traffic stop?

Except, you are not treated as a second class citizen. You are treated as a citizen with the same protections I have.

Have you ever used a less than PC term to describe a white person?

Do blacks treat whites differently? Do blacks see whites as equals in all things!

Actually, that isn’t hypocrisy. Me saying I never owned slaves is a fact. Culture is nothing but choice. If you want to change the lives of black people, change the culture.

If you dwell in the past, you will have no future.

 

[Sharkinva]

Do you believe it is better to be respectful or belligerent during a traffic stop?

Well respectful. But then again I also believe that respect is earned, not simply expected because one has a badge and a gun.

Except, you are not treated as a second class citizen. You are treated as a citizen with the same protections I have.

Yep, right up until someone says, a crime was committed by a 6'1" black guy with tats. Then I revert from citizen to suspect in a blink of an ee even if I was no where in the area.

Have you ever used a less than PC term to describe a white person?

Sure, but generally I treat people the way I would like to be treated. And I dont assume a white guy as a racist until after he whips out his confederate flag or swastika.

Do blacks treat whites differently? Do blacks see whites as equals in all things!

Probably not. But then we havent had 200 plus years of cultural bias telling us that whites are inferior either.

Actually, that isn’t hypocrisy. Me saying I never owned slaves is a fact. Culture is nothing but choice. If you want to change the lives of black people, change the culture.

Culture is not choice. Its how you are raised and the environment you are raised in. Im fine with changing the culture. BUt I think its bullshit to try and defende a culture that has tried to commit genocide by saying, well it was a different time. Sure you never owned slaves, but YOUR culture exists as a result of slavery and genocide. I can understand why you would want to distance yourself from such an ugly cultural past. But here is the rub... let a white guy commit a mass murder.... you all scream he was mentally unbalanced, he isnt one of us. Let a black guy or God forbid a Muslim do the same thing.. and we are all lumped into the same group. Thats the real problem as far as most black folks are concerned. You want us to forget the past, and change our culture, but are more than happy to lump us into the negative at every possible turn.

If you dwell in the past, you will have no future.

If you forget past mistakes, you are likely to repeat them. Oh wait.. I forgot we are trying to make America Great again. BUt again, I can see why some would want to bury the past, at least some parts of it.

 

[gkekoa]

Well respectful. But then again I also believe that respect is earned, not simply expected because one has a badge and a gun.

Yep, right up until someone says, a crime was committed by a 6'1" black guy with tats. Then I revert from citizen to suspect in a blink of an ee even if I was no where in the area.

Sure, but generally I treat people the way I would like to be treated. And I dont assume a white guy as a racist until after he whips out his confederate flag or swastika.

Probably not. But then we havent had 200 plus years of cultural bias telling us that whites are inferior either.

Culture is not choice. Its how you are raised and the environment you are raised in. Im fine with changing the culture. BUt I think its bullshit to try and defende a culture that has tried to commit genocide by saying, well it was a different time. Sure you never owned slaves, but YOUR culture exists as a result of slavery and genocide. I can understand why you would want to distance yourself from such an ugly cultural past. But here is the rub... let a white guy commit a mass murder.... you all scream he was mentally unbalanced, he isnt one of us. Let a black guy or God forbid a Muslim do the same thing.. and we are all lumped into the same group. Thats the real problem as far as most black folks are concerned. You want us to forget the past, and change our culture, but are more than happy to lump us into the negative at every possible turn.

If you forget past mistakes, you are likely to repeat them. Oh wait.. I forgot we are trying to make America Great again. BUt again, I can see why some would want to bury the past, at least some parts of it.

So being respectful is better. Then perhaps if the person had been respectful, it may not have led to a search.

Is that any different than a 6’1” white guy with tats? We immediately think biker or skin head. Perhaps it has to do with how you are dressed because a 6’1” black guy with tats wearing a suit doesn’t bother many.

So is a black guy with a Confederate flag a racist? Do you treat him differently? Now you are equating a flag with racism that really has little to do with it.

So now you are excusing the behavior of blacks because of a bias. So you hold a double standard? It is OK for blacks to do this but not whites.

In the same paragraph, you say culture is not a choice but you are fine with changing the culture. If it can change, then it is a group of choices. When did white people try to kill all black people? Is the Anglo culture today trying to commit genocide? If not, and it used to, the cultures would be completely different. Your culture also exists because of slavery correct. Didn’t the Africans enslave those they conquered? I don’t distance myself from history...I realize it is history. Again, do you try to distance yourself from the things blacks have done?

Here is the thing, most of those white people are actually diagnosed with mental illness. That being said, I want them dead. Blacks who are lumped together are based on culture. I want black murderers dead, just like white murderers. Muslims is built into their religion. I want Muslim murderers dead too.

I don’t want the past buried. I want us all to know the true past and see how far we have come.

 

[Skins2021]

Now I think both groups have alot of work to do to get rid of the long standing ingrained hate.

I can live with that and I agree.

I think too often its being portrayed in the media and by advocates that its simply a 1 way street.

 

[Skins2021]

And i damn sure wouldnt insinuate that the best way to fix what is wrong with this country is for every one to just adopt anglo american culture.

What? What is wrong with 21st century anglo american culture? Would you prefer the culture of the middle east? Asia? Africa? Russia? There are no civil wars here, people are generally treated equal, homosexuals can be homosexuals without being imprisoned or stoned, women have equal rights to men. Is it perfect? Of course not but I'd rather be living in USA, Canada, Ireland, Germany etc then pretty much everywhere else in the world.

 

[Skins2021]

let a white guy commit a mass murder.... you all scream he was mentally unbalanced, he isnt one of us. Let a black guy or God forbid a Muslim do the same thing.. and we are all lumped into the same group.

well now.. thats a bit different and you know it

 

[Sharkinva]

What? What is wrong with 21st century anglo american culture? Would you prefer the culture of the middle east? Asia? Africa? Russia? There are no civil wars here, people are generally treated equal, homosexuals can be homosexuals without being imprisoned or stoned, women have equal rights to men. Is it perfect? Of course not but I'd rather be living in USA, Canada, Ireland, Germany etc then pretty much everywhere else in the world.

Nothing is wrong with it per say. But the idea that the country would be a better place if every one simply became like that is unrealistic. And trying to force that creates more problems than it solves.

 

[Skins2021]

Nothing is wrong with it per say. But the idea that the country would be a better place if every one simply became like that is unrealistic. And trying to force that creates more problems than it solves.

the world would be a better place if everyone adapted western values IMO