Partrick Kane being investigated for r*pe - Update - No charges to be filed, case closed

[forty_three]

Thanks for the response. I intentionally left the question basic to not lead you to an answer.

I think most women would handle it similar to the way you suspect you would. ...At least initially. I also suspect family and friends could have a profound impact on encouraging the victim to at least investigate legal action.

My wife was raped by a family friend when she was a young teen. She didn't tell anyone about it until years after it happened. She happened to have a bit of a crush on the guy who raped her. It wasn't a forceful bruising r*pe mainly because she let him do it without much fight so she wouldn't get hurt (and she felt guilt herself). She did repeatedly tell him 'no' and 'stop' and he repeatedly responded with 'just relax' as he commenced.

Sounds quite like what my sister experienced (except for the crush part). She held it inside for almost 25 years, until after the guy had died.

Very sorry she had to go through it, RP. I honestly can't imagine it.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

it just came to me but do you think Patrick Kane could well say he is being falsely accused and the REAL rapist is actually one Partrick Kane

 

[RP-29]

Sounds quite like what my sister experienced (except for the crush part). She held it inside for almost 25 years, until after the guy had died.

Very sorry she had to go through it, RP. I honestly can't imagine it.

Thanks, and me either. Not sure there's a whole lot in this world worse than losing your virginity to r*pe.

 

[pixburgher66]

Thanks for the response. I intentionally left the question basic to not lead you to an answer.

I think most women would handle it similar to the way you suspect you would. ...At least initially. I also suspect family and friends could have a profound impact on encouraging the victim to at least investigate legal action.

My wife was raped by a family friend when she was a young teen. She didn't tell anyone about it until years after it happened. She happened to have a bit of a crush on the guy who raped her. It wasn't a forceful bruising r*pe mainly because she let him do it without much fight so she wouldn't get hurt (and she felt guilt herself). She did repeatedly tell him 'no' and 'stop' and he repeatedly responded with 'just relax' as he commenced.

Wow, that's very rough...and unfortunately the only world where it's black and white is the eye of the law. An experience for one person is great and for another it's emotionally scarring. Just based on science/anatomy of sex, a man sort of has more responsibility. It's a lot easier for a guy to stop on his own, where for a woman it's a decision the man has to agree with. Women are very vulnerable...no matter what some feminists may say, men are stronger, generally speaking. Always a risk. Maybe I'm too old school, but even if it's a fling I think a guy should treat a woman with respect, talk boundaries, ask if they're okay going to the next step.

 

[pixburgher66]

Thanks, and me either. Not sure there's a whole lot in this world worse than losing your virginity to r*pe.

Virginity? Man that just crushes me...

I know societally there's pressure for men to get rid of it...but to many women it's a sense of feminity.

 

[anotheridiot]

Do not know how accurate the information is, but apparently the woman hired a big time lawyer for a civil lawsuit. I am guessing that means they are not pressing criminal charges?

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Do not know how accurate the information is, but apparently the woman hired a big time lawyer for a civil lawsuit. I am guessing that means they are not pressing criminal charges?

I don't think it means that at all. A criminal conviction would likely only support a civil case.

 

[BGDave]

I don't think it means that at all. A criminal conviction would likely only support a civil case.

Agreed. All it means is the victim is looking for a pay day.

 

[dash]

Agreed. All it means is the victim is looking for a pay day.

If the DA decides that there is enough evidence to proceed with charges/criminal trial, I'd be shocked if it ever gets to a courtroom (i.e. there would be a settlement and thus no need for a civil trial).

 

[forty_three]

Shaming and attacking the victim is not tolerated in a civil trial like it is in a criminal trial, therefore it's harder for defendants to use smoke and mirrors to avoid punishment in a civil trial. Not to mention civil trials do not have juries who may or may not have a case of hero worship. Pursuing civil action doesn't strictly mean a payday.

Remember, OJ was found not criminally guilty but the civil trial pretty much proved he did it. With pretty much the exact same evidence.

 

[dash]

Remember, OJ was found not criminally guilty but the civil trial pretty much proved he did it. With pretty much the exact same evidence.

Well, that and the fact that Marcia Clark and Chris Darden performed like Abbott and Costello during the criminal trial.

Marcia Clark: Nobody wants to harm this man (speaking of OJ)

Um, you're the prosecuting attorney and it appears that he murdered two people, I think a little harm is warranted.

/sorry, unnecessary tangent.

 

[anotheridiot]

I just read it like the current Tony Stewart case. He was not guilty of the criminal manslaughter killing that guy taunting him on the track, but the family is now in a civil case. I thought civil cases went after criminal cases were finished, so hearing she is already going civil meant that there is no criminal case.

Doesn't it seem odd there are no charges filed yet if they were going to charge him?

 

[anotheridiot]

Shaming and attacking the victim is not tolerated in a civil trial like it is in a criminal trial, therefore it's harder for defendants to use smoke and mirrors to avoid punishment in a civil trial. Not to mention civil trials do not have juries who may or may not have a case of hero worship. Pursuing civil action doesn't strictly mean a payday.

Remember, OJ was found not criminally guilty but the civil trial pretty much proved he did it. With pretty much the exact same evidence.

Yeah, and when he was found guilty of the case against the sports memorabilia guy, he got the punishment he should have gotten for the murder.

 

[pixburgher66]

I just read it like the current Tony Stewart case. He was not guilty of the criminal manslaughter killing that guy taunting him on the track, but the family is now in a civil case. I thought civil cases went after criminal cases were finished, so hearing she is already going civil meant that there is no criminal case.

Doesn't it seem odd there are no charges filed yet if they were going to charge him?

Not really, charges have been pressed, police doing due diligence before filing them.

 

[forty_three]

I just read it like the current Tony Stewart case. He was not guilty of the criminal manslaughter killing that guy taunting him on the track, but the family is now in a civil case. I thought civil cases went after criminal cases were finished, so hearing she is already going civil meant that there is no criminal case.

Doesn't it seem odd there are no charges filed yet if they were going to charge him?

Hiring an attorney that specializes in civil action early on might just mean she wants this attorney there throughout the whole process.

Or maybe he's just a good attorney and is going to assist the criminal trial. Or maybe he's not a civil lawyer at all and some small time reporter is loving the clicks and feeding the bears...

In the absence of real hard facts, just about any scenario is on the table. But damn, again, gotta give respect to this PD. So hard to keep a lid on this tight on any case, let alone one with so much profile.

Yeah, and when he was found guilty of the case against the sports memorabilia guy, he got the punishment he should have gotten for the murder.

weeeeelllll he got *a* punishment at least... as dash said - unnecessary tangent.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Shaming and attacking the victim is not tolerated in a civil trial like it is in a criminal trial, therefore it's harder for defendants to use smoke and mirrors to avoid punishment in a civil trial. Not to mention civil trials do not have juries who may or may not have a case of hero worship. Pursuing civil action doesn't strictly mean a payday.

Remember, OJ was found not criminally guilty but the civil trial pretty much proved he did it. With pretty much the exact same evidence.

Not to mention what might be the single biggest difference between criminal and civil is the reasonable doubt vs. preponderance of evidence standard.

Which is why the same evidence can produce different results.

 

[davnlaguna]

Shaming and attacking the victim is not tolerated in a civil trial like it is in a criminal trial, therefore it's harder for defendants to use smoke and mirrors to avoid punishment in a civil trial. Not to mention civil trials do not have juries who may or may not have a case of hero worship. Pursuing civil action doesn't strictly mean a payday.

Remember, OJ was found not criminally guilty but the civil trial pretty much proved he did it. With pretty much the exact same evidence.

More tangent
When I was 14 until about 20, OJ and Nicole had a house in Laguna. I saw and spoke with them all the time. Not saying we were friends just they, especially OJ, were very friendly people. He would come out onto the beach behind his house and feed the kids or give them glasses of water. If you were in a store he always had time for a picture or small talk. That being said, I was not surprised when he was the suspect in her death. OJ proved that money and fame shall set you free.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

More tangent
When I was 14 until about 20, OJ and Nicole had a house in Laguna. I saw and spoke with them all the time. Not saying we were friends just they, especially OJ, were very friendly people. He would come out onto the beach behind his house and feed the kids or give them glasses of water. If you were in a store he always had time for a picture or small talk. That being said, I was not surprised when he was the suspect in her death. OJ proved that money and fame shall set you free.

Not to further tangent and open up discussion on a 20 year old case, but I think more than that, his case demonstrated that incompetent prosecutors and investigating police officers shall set you free.

 

[forty_three]

Not to further tangent and open up discussion on a 20 year old case, but I think more than that, his case demonstrated that incompetent prosecutors and investigating police officers shall set you free.

Not to mention juries afraid of their neighborhoods getting destroyed...

 

[Comeds]

Not to further tangent and open up discussion on a 20 year old case, but I think more than that, his case demonstrated that incompetent prosecutors and investigating police officers shall set you free.

Not to further further tangent - Yeah, they were awful. No matter how guilty one seems the police and prosecution still have to do their job. People were mad about the verdict and slamming the jury. I never blamed the jury for that decision.