Partrick Kane being investigated for r*pe - Update - No charges to be filed, case closed

[forty_three]

Today, a lot of news sites are saying it was a woman in her 20s. I still don't think they know for sure.

CNN said Hitler was just killed by a bear this weekend.

 

[RP-29]

Is the female in this scenario 16 years old?

Both legal adults. My thought process in relation to my scenario and question never came close to considering anything else.

To be clear, I am not trying to insinuate my scenario is what happened nor am I trying to exonerate Kane of wrongdoing, but it's a plausible scenario in the gray area she cited and I was interested in hearing her perspective of the situation presented.

Does the male notice/care that the female is in pain or afraid?

While it may be legally relevant, it's not relevant for isolating and sampling a female's perspective of the situation.

 

[dash]

Well, depending on what happens, it doesn't necessarily have to be a career-ender for Patrick Kane, the Blues traded Doug Gilmour to the Flames back in '88 due to alleged sexual relations with a minor and his career continued on without skipping a beat.

Jury Won't Indict Gilmour on Sex Charge - latimes

/Of course, the internet was basically used by the military/government in 1988, no social media at all, times have certainly changed.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Reportedly.

If that's true, it's fucking sick. I didn't even like banging sixteen year olds when I was sixteen.

 

[pixburgher66]

I have a serious unbiased non-judgmental scenario/question for you specifically in relation to this.

Say you've got a huge crush on your favorite superstar musician. You've fantasized frequently of the pleasures you would get and give if given the opportunity. After a concert, he singles you out and invites you into his dressing room. You're euphoric with excitement. You've had a few drinks, so the typical security/insecurity-induced nervousness is absent and you're just ready to go. You know you're not going in there to chat and you're all-in on that.

At first, he eases it in and it's like you're having an out of body experience, but after a minute the contact starts to get stronger. It snaps you out of your euphoria a bit and you acknowledge - wow, that's kinda rough. You don't say anything and continue because it doesn't seem excessive and are still somewhat enjoying it. Another minute passes and the contact is starting to go from mostly pleasure to mostly pain. He's hurting you with his aggressiveness. You start to lock up and become scared. Just as you're about to tell him that's enough he pulls out and unloads. It's done, but you feel violated. You realize you didn't say anything during, but he actually hurt you... physically and emotionally.

From a female's perspective, is that r*pe?

Difficult question to approach. It's sort of hard for me to put myself in that situation because that's...well. That's not how I approach sex. However, if it were, I'm not sure you can label it sexual assault. If you begin intercourse and are fully consenting, and never say anything, well...there's no point in which the man could see to stop. I don't think no always has to be fully vocalized, but, that's why women should be, you know, an equal participant. Still, I think if that happened to me it would have the same devastating emotional effect, one that could ruin sex for many, but it's equally hard to place blame on the man. Clearly I'm speaking too rationally about what is a drunken kind of situation, too. Alcohol just complicates everything...five minutes ago you may have been agreeable, but then you sober up and realize it's a bad situation.

 

[pixburgher66]

Reportedly.

I don't think we can trust much of anything out there. Again, props to the police for being so tight lipped.

 

[forty_three]

I don't think we can trust much of anything out there. Again, props to the police for being so tight lipped.

The only things I've seen refuting the original 16 year old story is people saying "Well, the statutory r*pe part got dropped, so..."

Statutory cases are pursued when the minor party "consented" (as much as they understand the consequences). Dropping the "Statutory" part doesn't automatically mean the victim is of age, it could also mean they have enough evidence of a forcible r*pe regardless of age.

I am very impressed the authorities have kept the lid so tight.

 

[pixburgher66]

The only things I've seen refuting the original 16 year old story is people saying "Well, the statutory r*pe part got dropped, so..."

Statutory cases are pursued when the minor party "consented" (as much as they understand the consequences). Dropping the "Statutory" part doesn't automatically mean the victim is of age, it could also mean they have enough evidence of a forcible r*pe regardless of age.

I am very impressed the authorities have kept the lid so tight.

Yeah, I haven't seen any refute either...but more because the original source seems shady to beg with.

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

Reportedly.

TO BE FAIR!

 

[puckhead]

I didn't even want to touch that guy's post.....

that's what SHE said.


/too soon?

 

[RP-29]

Difficult question to approach. It's sort of hard for me to put myself in that situation because that's...well. That's not how I approach sex. However, if it were, I'm not sure you can label it sexual assault. If you begin intercourse and are fully consenting, and never say anything, well...there's no point in which the man could see to stop. I don't think no always has to be fully vocalized, but, that's why women should be, you know, an equal participant. Still, I think if that happened to me it would have the same devastating emotional effect, one that could ruin sex for many, but it's equally hard to place blame on the man. Clearly I'm speaking too rationally about what is a drunken kind of situation, too. Alcohol just complicates everything...five minutes ago you may have been agreeable, but then you sober up and realize it's a bad situation.

Thanks for the response. I was going to rate it "useful" but apparently the tyrannical admins don't expect hockey threads to contain useful information.

1½ easier follow-up questions:
Would you contact anyone after such an encounter? If so, who?

 

[BGDave]

Thanks for the response. I was going to rate it "useful" but apparently the tyrannical admins don't expect hockey threads to contain useful information.

1½ easier follow-up questions:
Would you contact anyone after such an encounter? If so, who?

Never noticed the lack of a "useful" button either. Hmm.

As for your 1.5 questions, I would leave that to my lawyers.

 

[BGDave]

I have not read any news reports, and barely scanned through this thread. The whole business is a sad one, to be sure.

I see there is some speculation as to whether the complainant is 16 years old. Weren't Kane and the complainant hanging out in a bar before going to his house?

Its a sad commentary on society that the best advice for any young man is "keep it zipped" and "never be alone with someone". Especially if you are in the public eye, as athletes are.

 

[forty_three]

I was going to rate it "useful" but apparently the tyrannical admins don't expect hockey threads to contain useful information.

They just don't appreciate the value that Comeds' traffic encounters can offer the layperson.

As for your 1.5 questions, I would leave that to my lawyers.

That's a good plan.

I am connected very closely connected to law enforcement. And the original question would be viewed slightly different than pix answered it. Very interesting question RP.

Its a sad commentary on society that the best advice for any young man is "keep it zipped" and "never be alone with someone". Especially if you are in the public eye, as athletes are.

Yes, guys really need to protect themselves.

 

[BGDave]

Yes, guys really need to protect themselves.

*thinking back wistfully* remember when that meant keeping it wrapped...

 

[anotheridiot]

I have not read any news reports, and barely scanned through this thread. The whole business is a sad one, to be sure.

I see there is some speculation as to whether the complainant is 16 years old. Weren't Kane and the complainant hanging out in a bar before going to his house?

Its a sad commentary on society that the best advice for any young man is "keep it zipped" and "never be alone with someone". Especially if you are in the public eye, as athletes are.

one of the first stories that came out was that it was a statutory r*pe case, I just pointed out that in New York, that is under 16. I think that one was a reach by some twit on twitter needing to be the first to say that.

All we are going by now is that she was not dragged kicking and screaming into his house, she entered on her own, the only thing that makes sense is that her dream man turned out to be into harder sex than the fabio love making she probably imagined.

The latest arguments here are the fact if it started consensual, but got too hard, is it right for her to say she was raped.

 

[pixburgher66]

Thanks for the response. I was going to rate it "useful" but apparently the tyrannical admins don't expect hockey threads to contain useful information.

1½ easier follow-up questions:
Would you contact anyone after such an encounter? If so, who?

Family/friends for consolidation and counsel probably, I don't think I'd go the the authorities if that's what you were going for.

 

[pixburgher66]

one of the first stories that came out was that it was a statutory r*pe case, I just pointed out that in New York, that is under 16. I think that one was a reach by some twit on twitter needing to be the first to say that.

All we are going by now is that she was not dragged kicking and screaming into his house, she entered on her own, the only thing that makes sense is that her dream man turned out to be into harder sex than the fabio love making she probably imagined.

The latest arguments here are the fact if it started consensual, but got too hard, is it right for her to say she was raped.

If at any point she said stop, and it continued, it's r*pe. That's fact. Everything we say about the investigation is speculation though...brings up interesting (in a morbid way) discussion.

 

[RP-29]

Family/friends for consolidation and counsel probably, I don't think I'd go the the authorities if that's what you were going for.

Thanks for the response. I intentionally left the question basic to not lead you to an answer.

I think most women would handle it similar to the way you suspect you would. ...At least initially. I also suspect family and friends could have a profound impact on encouraging the victim to at least investigate legal action.

My wife was raped by a family friend when she was a young teen. She didn't tell anyone about it until years after it happened. She happened to have a bit of a crush on the guy who raped her. It wasn't a forceful bruising r*pe mainly because she let him do it without much fight so she wouldn't get hurt (and she felt guilt herself). She did repeatedly tell him 'no' and 'stop' and he repeatedly responded with 'just relax' as he commenced.

 

[davnlaguna]

If at any point she said stop, and it continued, it's r*pe. That's fact. Everything we say about the investigation is speculation though...brings up interesting (in a morbid way) discussion.

Agree
Just because she was being flirty/slutty isn't a reason to r*pe her. Just because she went into your home, is not a reason to r*pe her. Just because she kissed you is not a reason to r*pe her.
We don't know what happened in this case but there is never an ok to r*pe someone.
If it turns out that she is lying, I hope she gets punished, but saying she acted in an unlady like fashion is not an excuse for r*pe.