Partrick Kane being investigated for r*pe - Update - No charges to be filed, case closed

[SlinkyRedfoot]

No doubt there are situations where the woman has made it up. But the fact that it's happened before doesn't justify jumping to the assumption that it is the case every time it happens involving someone we want on our fantasy teams.

I'd never even heard of Patrick Kane before I stumbled onto this thread. I haven't jumped to a conclusion in either direction.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

No doubt there are situations where the woman has made it up. But the fact that it's happened before doesn't justify jumping to the assumption that it is the case every time it happens involving someone we want on our fantasy teams.

The sad reality is that because the initial assumption will be to shame the victim or claim she asked for it or is somehow "responsible" is the reason the majority of this situations don't get reported. This I know.



And for the record, I don't think your proposed punishment is overboard by that much. Maybe a smaller nail or drywall screws.

I think I was mislabeled as a Kane apologist because I didn't like your "buying a car is asking for it to be stolen" analogy.

 

[RP-29]

I think I was mislabeled as a Kane apologist because I didn't like your "buying a car is asking for it to be stolen" analogy.

Slightly off topic: There are three types of people in this world. You claim to be two of them.

 

[forty_three]

I think I was mislabeled as a Kane apologist because I didn't like your "buying a car is asking for it to be stolen" analogy.

All good.

I know it was somewhat weak, but you'd be surprised how close it really is to how some people think. Simplistic solutions solve it all. Your car wouldn't have been stolen if you didn't park it there. You wouldn't have been mugged if you didn't go to that bar downtown. Don't want your naked photos on the web? Well don't take naked photos. Saw that one first hand, and it made me sick. Poor woman was devastated. And she did nothing wrong other than trust the wrong person. Who she had been in a relationship for 4 years, by the way. Not an impulsive mistake...

Too often, the narrative is about what the victim could have done to protect themselves.

Well, yes, living inside a box *is* safer.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Slightly off topic: There are three types of people in this world. You claim to be two of them.

It's apparent that, in this instance, my reputation hasn't preceded me.

Anyway, if it helps at all, I think I'm a dick. HammerDown thinks I'm an asshole.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

It's apparent that, in this instance, my reputation hasn't preceded me.

Anyway, if it helps at all, I think I'm a dick. HammerDown thinks I'm an asshole.

You're part asshole, part dick, but entirely fun.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

You're part asshole, part dick, but entirely fun.

I'm not sure that came across entirely how you meant it to.

Spoiler

Or maybe it did?

 

[anotheridiot]

Give me a better one, then.

Point is, there is risk everywhere. And even if you do something risky, at some point you have to trust the other person to, you know, not break the law and make it worse.



Going in to someone's house is an acknowledgement that you are going to have sex? Wow, he has less and less responsibility for what happened by the minute. I mean sure, he could have lured her there with just about any pretense, but SHE WENT.

And I still hope the Hawks get cap relief.

Hanging on Kane for hours so no other women could get at him and then going to his house at 4 am, what do you think they were going to have a slumber party? Watch movies and have some popcorn? Nobody knew what was happening at the bar, whether she was just on his arm or on this third leg, maybe its been over a week with no charges filed because he actually has a story that is believable. Maybe he clearly told her he wanted to take her home to fuck her brains out. Would that make it ok to expect sex when they got there? She just thought they were gonna continue drinking at his house because the bar was closing?

Her keeping other women away from him was pretty evident she wanted him to herself.

I am just glad the statutory side of this has seemed to go away.

 

[pixburgher66]

This is what I mean, she played her part and got more than she expected. Biting of the neck can be mutual, if she had bruises on her wrists being forcefully held down from the biting its different. If the scratch on her leg was her trying to escape its different.
I guess its just natural to consider r*pe being clothes torn being forced into a room or alley not going there on her own.

r*pe isn't an easy, black and white kind of thing. You don't have to be physically restrained to the point of bruising for it to be r*pe. It's simply sexual contact (not even intercourse) wherein it wasn't consensual. That's it. Being a tease isn't illegal. I understand your implication that there are actions that expose you to danger more than others, but there is ZERO action that says "r*pe me". None. No one asks for it. By it's very definition, that's not possible. I'd also caution you in believing rumors. We know VERY little on the situation, and there's nothing less trustworthy than an eye witness account. First off, if a guy or gal is a fan of Kane, their view is already skewed. If you were a Kane fan and saw a girl snuggling him in a booth or something, you'd probably think "Geez, she should lay off", and suddenly she "wants it". But every person is afforded a choice. Maybe she was sobering up a bit at that point and didn't like the possible implications that sex with a famous celeb could result in, maybe she is in a relationship and got starstruck, and couldn't be unfaithful. Maybe she simply didn't want to. ALL ARE VALID REASONS. There's no such thing as asking for it...except when you literally say "let's have sex". No matter how hot and bothered you are, someone says no, go finish the business on your own...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

No matter how hot and bothered you are, someone says no, go finish the business on your own...

Spoiler

Quit watching me, you creep.

 

[forty_three]

Spoiler

Quit watching me, you creep.

Then please choose another subway car.

 

[RP-29]

r*pe isn't an easy, black and white kind of thing.

I have a serious unbiased non-judgmental scenario/question for you specifically in relation to this.

Say you've got a huge crush on your favorite superstar musician. You've fantasized frequently of the pleasures you would get and give if given the opportunity. After a concert, he singles you out and invites you into his dressing room. You're euphoric with excitement. You've had a few drinks, so the typical security/insecurity-induced nervousness is absent and you're just ready to go. You know you're not going in there to chat and you're all-in on that.

At first, he eases it in and it's like you're having an out of body experience, but after a minute the contact starts to get stronger. It snaps you out of your euphoria a bit and you acknowledge - wow, that's kinda rough. You don't say anything and continue because it doesn't seem excessive and are still somewhat enjoying it. Another minute passes and the contact is starting to go from mostly pleasure to mostly pain. He's hurting you with his aggressiveness. You start to lock up and become scared. Just as you're about to tell him that's enough he pulls out and unloads. It's done, but you feel violated. You realize you didn't say anything during, but he actually hurt you... physically and emotionally.

From a female's perspective, is that r*pe?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I have a serious unbiased non-judgmental scenario/question for you specifically in relation to this.

Say you've got a huge crush on your favorite superstar musician. You've fantasized frequently of the pleasures you would get and give if given the opportunity. After a concert, he singles you out and invites you into his dressing room. You're euphoric with excitement. You've had a few drinks, so the typical security/insecurity-induced nervousness is absent and you're just ready to go. You know you're not going in there to chat and you're all-in on that.

At first, he eases it in and it's like you're having an out of body experience, but after a minute the contact starts to get stronger. It snaps you out of your euphoria a bit and you acknowledge - wow, that's kinda rough. You don't say anything and continue because it doesn't seem excessive and are still somewhat enjoying it. Another minute passes and the contact is starting to go from mostly pleasure to mostly pain. He's hurting you with his aggressiveness. You start to lock up and become scared. Just as you're about to tell him that's enough he pulls out and unloads. It's done, but you feel violated. You realize you didn't say anything during, but he actually hurt you... physically and emotionally.

From a female's perspective, is that r*pe?

I was thinking about it from a male perspective, and I don't mind telling you, I'm at half mast.

You think Donald Fagen would have me back stage?

 

[forty_three]

I have a serious unbiased non-judgmental scenario/question for you specifically in relation to this.

Say you've got a huge crush on your favorite superstar musician. You've fantasized frequently of the pleasures you would get and give if given the opportunity. After a concert, he singles you out and invites you into his dressing room. You're euphoric with excitement. You've had a few drinks, so the typical security/insecurity-induced nervousness is absent and you're just ready to go. You know you're not going in there to chat and you're all-in on that.

At first, he eases it in and it's like you're having an out of body experience, but after a minute the contact starts to get stronger. It snaps you out of your euphoria a bit and you acknowledge - wow, that's kinda rough. You don't say anything and continue because it doesn't seem excessive and are still somewhat enjoying it. Another minute passes and the contact is starting to go from mostly pleasure to mostly pain. He's hurting you with his aggressiveness. You start to lock up and become scared. Just as you're about to tell him that's enough he pulls out and unloads. It's done, but you feel violated. You realize you didn't say anything during, but he actually hurt you... physically and emotionally.

From a female's perspective, is that r*pe?

Is the female in this scenario 16 years old?

Does the male notice/care that the female is in pain or afraid?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Is the female in this scenario 16 years old?

Does the male notice/care that the female is in pain or afraid?

Are you asking for Jimmy Page? Because 16 is too old for him.

 

[forty_three]

Are you asking for Jimmy Page? Because 16 is too old for him.

Ted Nugent too.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Are you asking for Jimmy Page? Because 16 is too old for him.

Jimmy Page with or without a freshly caught mudshark?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Is the female in this scenario 16 years old?

Does the male notice/care that the female is in pain or afraid?

Serious question: was the chick this guy banged/raped 16 years old?

 

[forty_three]

Serious question: was the chick this guy banged/raped 16 years old?

Reportedly.

 

[Comeds]

Serious question: was the chick this guy banged/raped 16 years old?

Today, a lot of news sites are saying it was a woman in her 20s. I still don't think they know for sure.