Ongoing NHL thread - Part III

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Only against non-playoff caliber teams...

Phil Kessel has a whopping 17 points in 32 games against teams in a playoff position today.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

The Phil--who is still and always will be my hero--has played a lot of good hockey lately. Looking at his early season numbers is kind of pointless since the whole team was inept at goal scoring early in the season, between Johnston's hyper-passive system and Scuderi failing to "The Piece" together any useful outlet passes. It's a different team under Sullivan, and the new game works better for The Phil, which is showing up on the stat sheet, even though Geno was out for a good stretch.

Phil has 16 pts in the past 20 games. 11 of those points have come in the 9 games against teams currently out of a playoff spot.

There's a trend here.

 

[dare2be]

There's a trend here.

So goes the team W/L record as well. Though I can't correlate that much at all to Kessel. It's been a trend the last couple of years.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I won't get rid of my Pylon jersey.

You're spelling it wrong ya moran!!

 

[dash]

Penguins a real playoff threat

 

[DragonfromTO]

Phil has 16 pts in the past 20 games. 11 of those points have come in the 9 games against teams currently out of a playoff spot.

There's a trend here.

I don't know why I'm re-entering this discussion, but... Bro, do you even statistics?

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

You're spelling it wrong ya moran!!

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He wasn't the best skater out their, but I didn't care. I'll never forget the role he played in the 93 playoffs. Especially against Pittsburgh.

 

[pixburgher66]

He wasn't the best skater out their, but I didn't care. I'll never forget the role he played in the 93 playoffs. Especially against Pittsburgh.

He is forever immortalized as "one of those dudes Mario burned" in his statue, so he has that going.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

He is forever immortalized as "one of those dudes Mario burned" in his statue, so he has that going.

The IMPACT Pilon had on Game 7 was HUGE!!

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Penguins a real playoff threat

Gonna be a great game tonight! LGR!

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I don't know why I'm re-entering this discussion, but... Bro, do you even statistics?

Cool comment, bro.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Cool comment, bro.

It was a little flippant and I apologize, because what was really behind it was really sort of a compliment. Basically "I think you're smarter than to think that this shows what you seem to be saying it shows".

 

[DragonfromTO]

Phil Kessel has a whopping 17 points in 32 games against teams in a playoff position today.

Assuming those numbers are correct, this season Phil has scored 0.53 PPG vs non-playoff teams and 0.77 PPG vs playoff teams. What this apparently shows is that he can't compete against top teams and folds when the pressure is on.

This season, Player A has scored 0.86 PPG in 35 games vs playoff teams and 0.57 PPG vs non-playoff teams. Similarly, we should also conclude that Player A folds when the pressure is on.

Fucking Jonathan Toews. Can't be relied on when you need him.

 

[dare2be]

Gonna be a great game tonight! LGR!

I'm sure you're looking forward to another shutout by King Henrik.

 

[esls79]

Pre-emptive must be nice

 

[DragonfromTO]

Assuming those numbers are correct, this season Phil has scored 0.53 PPG vs non-playoff teams and 0.77 PPG vs playoff teams. What this apparently shows is that he can't compete against top teams and folds when the pressure is on.

This season, Player A has scored 0.86 PPG in 35 games vs playoff teams and 0.57 PPG vs non-playoff teams. Similarly, we should also conclude that Player A folds when the pressure is on.

Fucking Jonathan Toews. Can't be relied on when you need him.

Ugh, and of course I wrote both sets of numbers backwards. The playoff numbers are the lower ones and the non-playoff are the higher ones. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Darkstone42]

Is it surprising that players produce more against worst teams, and that teams have better records against teams who win less? I mean, this seems pretty obvious.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Assuming those numbers are correct, this season Phil has scored 0.53 PPG vs non-playoff teams and 0.77 PPG vs playoff teams. What this apparently shows is that he can't compete against top teams and folds when the pressure is on.

This season, Player A has scored 0.86 PPG in 35 games vs playoff teams and 0.57 PPG vs non-playoff teams. Similarly, we should also conclude that Player A folds when the pressure is on.

Fucking Jonathan Toews. Can't be relied on when you need him.

Get Phil a two-way game then compare him to JT.

Also, I have no problem with players scoring more points against weaker teams and then finding them harder to come by against the stronger opposition. I mean, you still want to beat those weaker teams right?

I just don't want to pay them $8 million.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Get Phil a two-way game then compare him to JT.

Also, I have no problem with players scoring more points against weaker teams and then finding them harder to come by against the stronger opposition. I mean, you still want to beat those weaker teams right?

I just don't want to pay them $8 million.

If you think that my post was about comparing Phil Kessel and Jonathan Toews then you completely missed the point. But I don't think that you actually think that.

 

[Darkstone42]

Get Phil a two-way game then compare him to JT.

Also, I have no problem with players scoring more points against weaker teams and then finding them harder to come by against the stronger opposition. I mean, you still want to beat those weaker teams right?

I just don't want to pay them $8 million.

Does that player exist? A player on a scoring line who doesn't perform better against worse teams?

Can you look that up? I'd be willing to make a bet that player doesn't exist. There is, after all, a reason worse teams are worse.

I could see bottom six guys doing that, because there's less TOI and less scoring density over which the numbers could properly even out, but not the guys who get lots of shifts and lots of points.