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They do know each other and his granddaughter is friends with his wife. It is surprising but it doesn't mean much tbh. I'm not sure what Buzbee's plan is but I'm not sure it's working. I stand by my prediction of anywhere from 4-10 games
First thought when Texans named in suit was it seemed odd to the "Buzbee and owner are friends" people.

But in reading more about it, adding them wont really hurt the Texans much as the amount of damages per the report was not all that much (5 figures max per).
 

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So what was "this" offer they'd be willing to accept?

Because apparently you must've been in the room as you imply you know these facts.
we don't know what the offer was they'd accept as they didn't make it known....but it was known they would not allow meetings unless those teams had an offer in place they'd accept should Watson agree to go there.

Fact. Not opinion.
 

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Sounds a lot like you. Oh don't forget the part about a Karen wanting to put blame everywhere else.

Yep you're a Karen for sure. If you're actually a man that's about the only thing incorrect about you being a Karen.
where have I emphatically put blame?

You really are reaching here. Maybe it's time for you to just make up some more lies you can deny? If you do, please be more creative.
 

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Absolutely A. That's the point. The Browns and most teams do this with most contracts when they can. We all know this and agree 100% that this is the case. This is because it is beneficial for cap purposes and to a lesser extent so they don't have to give the cash out as soon.

The difference here is that with Watson there is a very good chance that a part (or all) of his base salary this year will never hit the Browns cap or be paid out as cash. Because of this the Browns, if looking out for their own cap health, would have given him as high of a year one base salary as their cap would allow and with $40M in cap space (maybe more if someone takes some of Baker's salary) they certainly could have afforded to go much higher, if not for the fact that they were taking care of Watson with this structure.


You proved my point by answering A. If the Browns would have signed him to the same $1.035 mil deal whether being suspended or not it means his suspension doesn't really factor into why they paid him so little year 1.
 

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It's not opinion, it's math. And No one is refuting that point as you can see because we all agree with it. I've said this like 5 times now.
Yep ....which makes it even more strange you don't understand by agreeing they'd offer the same if NOT facing suspension you agree with my point that this deal was not done to help Watson out in case he is suspended. he was getting a $1.035 mil base year 1 regardless.
 

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You proved my point by answering A. If the Browns would have signed him to the same $1.035 mil deal whether being suspended or not it means his suspension doesn't really factor into why they paid him so little year 1.
No, that’s incorrect Because he is indeed likely to be suspended. Since he is about to be suspended a high year one salary that he’ll never see a part of would benefit no one but him. How is it you can’t see that simple fact. You can’t look at it as a regular contract. This is a contract given to a guy who will never see 100% of his contract. The more he doesn’t get, the more never hits the Browns cap
 

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Yep ....which makes it even more strange you don't understand by agreeing they'd offer the same if NOT facing suspension you agree with my point that this deal was not done to help Watson out in case he is suspended. he was getting a $1.035 mil base year 1 regardless.
Jesus Christ it’s like banging your head against a wall trying to explain something everyone knows to someone whose agenda doesn’t want it to be so. :doh:I’m done on the topic. I think you 100% know you are wrong because you’d have to be a complete moron to not see it and I know for years you’ve been agenda driven and refuse to admit you are wrong on anything and will argue for weeks while refusing to do so but I didnt think you were a moron in the past. It’s actually comical at this point
 

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No, that’s incorrect Because he is indeed likely to be suspended. Since he is about to be suspended a high year one salary that he’ll never see a part of would benefit no one but him. How is it you can’t see that simple fact. You can’t look at it as a regular contract. This is a contract given to a guy who will never see 100% of his contract. The more he doesn’t get, the more never hits the Browns cap
The Browns (and many teams) sign big money guys to minimum base deals in year 1. Watson was a big money guy. He got a minimum base deal. was going to get this contract if a suspension loomed or not. Pretty simple.
 

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Jesus Christ it’s like banging your head against a wall trying to explain something everyone knows to someone whose agenda doesn’t want it to be so. :doh:I’m done on the topic. I think you 100% know you are wrong because you’d have to be a complete moron to not see it and I know for years you’ve been agenda driven and refuse to admit you are wrong on anything and will argue for weeks while refusing to do so but I didnt think you were a moron in the past. It’s actually comical at this point
I've admitted I was wrong a couple times (maybe a few) in threads about Watson and Baker. Wonder if you'll admit you were wrong by saying I wont admit I'm wrong.

The Browns (and many teams) sign big money guys to minimum base deals in year 1. Watson was a big money guy. He got a minimum base deal. was going to get this contract if a suspension loomed or not (and you agreed with this). The idea you pretty much make my case for me then argue against it is comical if nothing else.

Guessing in these threads you have, in fact, seen others get caught in lies and not own them. Never thought you'd be an argue based on poster and not post guy....but here we are.
 

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The Browns (and many teams) sign big money guys to minimum base deals in year 1. Watson was a big money guy. He got a minimum base deal. was going to get this contract if a suspension loomed or not. Pretty simple.
A major reason they do so is they dont have the cap space to gove them a lot year 1, so they back load the deal. Also in most of those deals years the last couple years aren't guaranteed, so they can cut bait if needed.
 

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A major reason they do so is they dont have the cap space to gove them a lot year 1, so they back load the deal. Also in most of those deals years the last couple years aren't guaranteed, so they can cut bait if needed.
I get why they do it and also that the Browns do have a ton of cap space. Had watson been the only player they did this for this might be believable (that it was done solely because of looming suspension). However, they signed Garrett to the same base in year 1. Now some may say he may smash another QB with a helmet so just in case to protect him? However, Ward and Njoku also got the same restructured base in 2022 on their extensions
 

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Jesus Christ it’s like banging your head against a wall trying to explain something everyone knows to someone whose agenda doesn’t want it to be so. :doh:
Yup, no matter how it's explained, he just goes back to repeating his same argument over and over again and when you explain why his argument doesn't hold water he just keeps repeating his argument over and over like a broken record.
 

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Yup, no matter how it's explained, he just goes back to repeating his same argument over and over again and when you explain why his argument doesn't hold water he just keeps repeating his argument over and over like a broken record.
Try this: "Name 2 or more players who have a 'Language exists that will not void future guarantees upon suspension' or similar note on their Spotrac contract page?"
 

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we don't know what the offer was they'd accept as they didn't make it known....but it was known they would not allow meetings unless those teams had an offer in place they'd accept should Watson agree to go there.

Fact. Not opinion.
You could've just said you lied and saved us time.
 

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where have I emphatically put blame?

You really are reaching here. Maybe it's time for you to just make up some more lies you can deny? If you do, please be more creative.
Come on Karen we expect more our of our grammAr Nazis.

Even you know a word doesn't need to meet all of the definitions of said word.

Keep the spin alive
 

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No, that’s incorrect Because he is indeed likely to be suspended. Since he is about to be suspended a high year one salary that he’ll never see a part of would benefit no one but him. How is it you can’t see that simple fact. You can’t look at it as a regular contract. This is a contract given to a guy who will never see 100% of his contract. The more he doesn’t get, the more never hits the Browns cap
I don't know much about @dtgold88's history on here, but it looks like he's correct on this.

The Rams extended Stafford this year, reworking the final year of the previous contract that they picked up from Detroit.

Stafford will make only $1.5 million in base salary this year, and also only $1.5 million the first year in his new contract, as you can see on spotrac: Matthew Stafford

Brady's base salary is $1.12 million this year, Rodgers' $1.15, etc.

It's helpful to Watson, but it's typical.
 

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I don't know much about @dtgold88's history on here, but it looks like he's correct on this.

The Rams extended Stafford this year, reworking the final year of the previous contract that they picked up from Detroit.

Stafford will make only $1.5 million in base salary this year, and also only $1.5 million the first year in his new contract, as you can see on spotrac: Matthew Stafford

Brady's base salary is $1.12 million this year, Rodgers' $1.15, etc.

It's helpful to Watson, but it's typical.
Did those teams do that because they needed cap space? Browns had plenty of cap space already. It's been acknowledged that teams do this because they need current cap space.
 

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I don't know much about @dtgold88's history on here, but it looks like he's correct on this.

The Rams extended Stafford this year, reworking the final year of the previous contract that they picked up from Detroit.

Stafford will make only $1.5 million in base salary this year, and also only $1.5 million the first year in his new contract, as you can see on spotrac: Matthew Stafford

Brady's base salary is $1.12 million this year, Rodgers' $1.15, etc.

It's helpful to Watson, but it's typical.
OK, how much cap space did the Rams have for year 1 of that contract, and didvthey protect Stafford from losing money due to suspension?
 

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Did those teams do that because they needed cap space? Browns had plenty of cap space already. It's been acknowledged that teams do this because they need current cap space.
I dunno. Name a QB in that circumstance and I can check.
 
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