NL Cy Young

[msgkings322]

NL Cy Young is a pretty great two horse race with Nola as a clear 3rd(both in terms of not being 2nd and not being 4th).

Who do you got between deGrom and Scherzer right now?

Personally I think deGrom has pulled ahead. Even with wins supposedly not meaning as much. He's starting to pile those up so the total doesn't look as embarrassing.

ESPN had a good article comparing the 3 pitcher who basically are the top 3 in like all the categories with deGrom always being top 2.

Each guy being in the NL East means they face similar opponents throughout the season. deGrom faces the Nats/PHillies instead of the Mets tho so his opponents have been slightly tougher.

Nola maybe passed Scherzer now

 

[msgkings322]

Although I agree on the wins being a nonfactor,but with deGrom at 1.71 era and only 8 wins,i`m thinking you can`t blame that solely on lack of offense from the Mets...….

Whats the average of runs scored when deGrom pitches is the question that would need to be answered...….

Right now I`d take Scherzer as Cy winner...…..

I assume the past 2 weeks have changed your take?

 

[PolarVortex]

Nola and DeGrom have a lower ERA than Scherzer. But, that is the only stat category in which those two lead Scherzer. Scherzer is still tops in K/9, WHIP and BAA. They are going to have to do better than just ERA to beat out Scherzer for the CY.

Right now the order should be:
Scherzer
DeGrom
Nola

It's too bad that such fine seasons from DeGrom and Nola will go unrewarded, but they won't be the first to suffer that fate.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Nola and DeGrom have a lower ERA than Scherzer. But, that is the only stat category in which those two lead Scherzer. Scherzer is still tops in K/9, WHIP and BAA. They are going to have to do better than just ERA to beat out Scherzer for the CY.

Right now the order should be:
Scherzer
DeGrom
Nola

It's too bad that such fine seasons from DeGrom and Nola will go unrewarded, but they won't be the first to suffer that fate.

Wait so there’s only 4 categories? Lol

deGrom beats Scherzer in plenty of categories. And he’s top 2 in just about everything as well.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Oh god now I am remembering Sidney Ponson. What a doosh.

Jeff Juden was another Ponson, a big slob of an asshole who never came remotely close to living up to his potential and irritated everybody in sight along the way.

 

[StanMarsh51]

deGrom beats Scherzer in plenty of categories. And he’s top 2 in just about everything as well.

I don't think that's the case...per Baseball Reference, 3 of the 4 categories that DeGrom beats Scherzer in are variations of ERA (ERA, ERA+, FIP), with the other being HR/9.

Scherzer leads deGrom in....
-Wins
-WHIP
-Complete games and shutouts
-Innings
-K's and K/9
-K/BB
-H/9
-WAR

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I don't think that's the case...per Baseball Reference, 3 of the 4 categories that DeGrom beats Scherzer in are variations of ERA (ERA, ERA+, FIP), with the other being HR/9.

Scherzer leads deGrom in....
-Wins
-WHIP
-Complete games and shutouts
-Innings
-K's and K/9
-K/BB
-H/9
-WAR

Those stats are all different than ERA tho and it’s why they use them.

deGrom aslo wins in Fangraphs WAR

And I don’t remember all the stats but espn has an article comparing the 3 and it has deGrom leading a ton and like always top 2

Also deGrom leading stats involving 7 innings and 2 runs or less. Shit like that I always see.

Guy has just been machine.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Scherzer helping deGrom out big time today

 

[mr.hockey4242]

And more runs..

 

[rmilia1]

Cy Yoibg goes to the best pitcher and that is DeGrom. I'll argue to the death on MVP not going to a guy on a shitty team because I think valuable insinuates team success. The Cy Young has no such pretext.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

deGrom locking this baby up

 

[Chewbaccer]

Braves face deGrom on Wednesday. Braves are 5-0 when facing deGrom this season.

We beat Nola today with a skeleton lineup and we beat Scherzer earlier this homestand giving him his worst start of the season.

Top 3 candidates are a combined 3-5 against the Braves this year.

Braves have gone 11-3 in games vs deGrom, Scherzer and Nola this season.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Braves face deGrom on Wednesday. Braves are 5-0 when facing deGrom this season.

We beat Nola today with a skeleton lineup and we beat Scherzer earlier this homestand giving him his worst start of the season.

Top 3 candidates are a combined 3-5 against the Braves this year.

Braves have gone 11-3 in games vs deGrom, Scherzer and Nola this season.

But we have NEVER won a game started by Clayton Kershaw.

 

[rmilia1]

I'm surprised Mikolas and Freeland arent getting more love. Mikolas haa been great and turned into the ace of a likely playoff team. Freelands ERA is a run higher than deGrom but dude pitches in Colorado. Every time we debate MVP we dock Rockies guys because "well yeah hes got great stats but he plays half his games in Colorado" . If we dock their hitters for playing there we should add points to their pitchers for having to pitch there

 

[Chewbaccer]

Folty leads the NL in complete games.

 

[WC. Moses]

It's probably unfair but I can't vote for degrom because of the won loss record.
Scherzer and Nola are Vertually tied.

 

[navamind]

vertually

 

[molsaniceman]

I'm surprised Mikolas and Freeland arent getting more love. Mikolas haa been great and turned into the ace of a likely playoff team. Freelands ERA is a run higher than deGrom but dude pitches in Colorado. Every time we debate MVP we dock Rockies guys because "well yeah hes got great stats but he plays half his games in Colorado" . If we dock their hitters for playing there we should add points to their pitchers for having to pitch there

 

[rmilia1]

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That looks close to right . deGrom too low, Lester too high but still good. My top 5 would be

deGrom
Freeland
Scherzer
Nola
Mikolas

In that order

 

[navamind]

That looks close to right . deGrom too low, Lester too high but still good. My top 5 would be

deGrom
Freeland
Scherzer
Nola
Mikolas

In that order

the formula puts an emphasis on W-L record and the pitchers' teams to reflect how the voters may determine the CYA.