NL Cy Young

[wood20ks]

It's pretty clearly deGrom at this point. Obviously, things can change with a month and a half left.

Anyone who gives 2 fucks about Wins is an idiot. Even John Kruk and freaking Mike Schmidt were saying in the booth yesterday that deGrom can't be held responsible for his team's lack of run production.

Although I agree on the wins being a nonfactor,but with deGrom at 1.71 era and only 8 wins,i`m thinking you can`t blame that solely on lack of offense from the Mets...….

Whats the average of runs scored when deGrom pitches is the question that would need to be answered...….

Right now I`d take Scherzer as Cy winner...…..

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Although I agree on the wins being a nonfactor,but with deGrom at 1.71 era and only 8 wins,i`m thinking you can`t blame that solely on lack of offense from the Mets...….

Whats the average of runs scored when deGrom pitches is the question that would need to be answered...….

Right now I`d take Scherzer as Cy winner...…..

De Grom had a stretch where he gave up 2 runs in 7 starts and the Mets were 1-6 in those games

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Whats the average of runs scored when deGrom pitches is the question that would need to be answered...….

3.62 runs per game, but that's skewed by a 12-run game.

He's gotten 1 or fewer runs of support in a third of his 26 starts. In 11 of his starts, he's received 2 or fewer runs.

That said, right now, I'm leaning Scherzer. More IP, more Ks, more shutouts, and a better record.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

De Grom had a stretch where he gave up 2 runs in 7 starts and the Mets were 1-6 in those games

Yeah, that was hysterical.

DeGrom 5/2 through 6/13:

8 GS ~ 48.0 IP ~ 65 K ~ 12 BB ~ 6 ER ~ 1.13 ERA

The Mets were 1-7 in those games, and DeGrom was 1-2.

 

[wood20ks]

De Grom had a stretch where he gave up 2 runs in 7 starts and the Mets were 1-6 in those games

3.62 runs per game, but that's skewed by a 12-run game.

He's gotten 1 or fewer runs of support in a third of his 26 starts. In 11 of his starts, he's received 2 or fewer runs.

That said, right now, I'm leaning Scherzer. More IP, more Ks, more shutouts, and a better record.

deGroms run support definetley is not there,any other team he had a shot 20-22 wins..…..

But like slinky said,Scherzer has him beat in every category but era,and that is still just .42 era diference……..

I`d still give Scherzer the edge.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I think they should've dealt him for a farm system re-stock. At his age, his value will never be higher.

No way...when the Mets deal a guy, the prospects they get back in return all end up as junk.

OTOH, when they keep a guy, his arm falls off

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

deGroms run support definetley is not there,any other team he had a shot 20-22 wins..…..

MLB teams have scored an average of 4.44 runs per game. DeGrom has received average run support or more in only 9 of 26 starts.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

3.62 runs per game, but that's skewed by a 12-run game.

Skewed even worse than I thought.

Mets scored 8-runs in four of his starts and 12-runs in another. Set those five games to a still-above-average 5-runs per, and his average run support drops to 2.92 runs per game.

 

[wood20ks]

MLB teams have scored an average of 4.44 runs per game. DeGrom has received average run support or more in only 9 of 26 starts.

If your digging that far into it,how about Scherzer and Nola………...I think you`d have to fairly assess their run support...….which I tend to think its gonna be higher,but by how much?

Scherzer did get ZERO run support last night.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

If your digging that far into it,how about Scherzer and Nola………...I think you`d have to fairly assess their run support...….which I tend to think its gonna be higher,but by how much?

Scherzer did get ZERO run support last night.

Aaron Nola - 4.09 ave run support
Max Scherzer - 5.29 ave run support

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

@wood20ks, I provided links to the b-r.com pages where I was getting that info.

Teach a man to fish, and all that.

 

[nynasty]

No way...when the Mets deal a guy, the prospects they get back in return all end up as junk.

OTOH, when they keep a guy, his arm falls off

Oh come on, what about Baerga? Zambrano? The immortal Jim Fregosi?


Ok, I concede the point.

 

[wood20ks]

@wood20ks, I provided links to the b-r.com pages where I was getting that info.

Teach a man to fish, and all that.

Just too lazy/busy to look things up...…...So I`ll get to it......thanks

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Just too lazy/busy to look things up...…...So I`ll get to it......thanks

I understand.

I just didn't want to pretend to be some magical number wizard just because I know where to get that info from.

 

[molsaniceman]

I understand.

I just didn't want to pretend to be some magical number wizard just because I know where to get that info from.

how come no ones crying for homer bailey and his 2.9 rpg?

 

[wood20ks]

I understand.

I just didn't want to pretend to be some magical number wizard just because I know where to get that info from.

Ok...……..And here all along I thought you were another Rain Man spewing baseball stats.....lol

 

[navamind]

Oh yeah, and give Kyle Freeland some kudos. The dude has a 2.90 ERA as a Rockie.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

deGrom just keeps setting his case

 

[Indrid Cold]

I took a vote for Ponson to be equivalent to potato salad

 

[msgkings322]

I took a vote for Ponson to be equivalent to potato salad

Oh god now I am remembering Sidney Ponson. What a doosh.