Nick Foles benched!!!!!! Case Keenum to start @ Ravens this Sunday.

[Vitamike]

Its tough to tell.
It was a good defensive play when Keenum fumbled the ball, but you cannot deny that he was probably in La La Land when the fumble happened. But one thing is for certain, Nick Foles hurried to start warming up! I watched it several times on replay. You know dam well Foles was aware of what was going on and its hard to believe that Fisher didn't know what was going on. This all happened with only a minute left in the game with the score tied.

Oh, I'm not denying the state Case was in was probably not a good one. As a matter of fact, it speaks to my point. Why would any HC want to have a ditsy QB in there in that type of game on the line scenario with a minute left to play?

I have to believe not only would Fisher pull his QB if he actually knew his QB was a rag doll out there, he would even of put in Hekker if the other two weren't available in that situation. I mean, it's not like Case is a Brady, Newton or Rodgers.

As far as it being hard to believe Fisher didn't know what was going on with Case, for me it's not. There are a lot of things playing out in that scenario and if he missed it Fisher knows he has the NFL dude looking for this and understands the game is supposed to be stopped and the NFL protocol is to be administered. I think Fisher was thinking more about working with his young offensive coordinator so they could get the ball in a better scoring position, keep the chains moving and score leaving as little time on the clock as possible.

 

[27mtrcougar]

I think he likes Keenum more right now because he is more mobile. Maybe he is protecting Foles because of our band aid o-line.

That just might be true. But I have a gut feeling who ever starts at Cincinnati won't be finishing the game. So it might not matter.

 

[zeke2829]

[QUOTE="As far as it being hard to believe Fisher didn't know what was going on with Case, for me it's not. There are a lot of things playing out in that scenario and if he missed it Fisher knows he has the NFL dude looking for this and understands the game is supposed to be stopped and the NFL protocol is to be administered. I think Fisher was thinking more about working with his young offensive coordinator so they could get the ball in a better scoring position, keep the chains moving and score leaving as little time on the clock as possible.[/QUOTE]

You are correct on this, a lot of people missed the boat big time here! Keenum could barely walk after the hit. Maybe he didn't see the hit itself, but he had to see Keenum staggering after the hit amongst many others. Just the fact that he was severely staggering should raise a flag!

 

[Vitamike]

You are correct on this, a lot of people missed the boat big time here! Keenum could barely walk after the hit. Maybe he didn't see the hit itself, but he had to see Keenum staggering after the hit amongst many others. Just the fact that he was severely staggering should raise a flag!

I don't think it was just the hit itself, I don't think Fisher knew his QB was ever in trouble because you're right, it would raise a red flag.

I see no benefit, only detriment, in keeping Case on the field in that condition. I don't see any argument on why Fisher would even 'want' to leave Case in there in that scenario. Again, it's not as if Case is a Tom, Cam or Aaron.

If just one of you could come up with a single legitimate reason for Fisher 'wanting' his 2nd string QB out there dazed and confused with the ball in his hands in a game defining moment (Maybe even a season defining moment), I may be convinced to jump on the ole bandwagon but there isn't one.

IMO it's just frustration due to the situation and the final outcome.

 

[shopson67]

It's just another strike against Fisher. He HAS to be aware of his QB's health status. Foles was aware, how can the coach not be? And where was the league appointed specialist to stop play and get him out of there? Multiple failings on that one, including Fisher.

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

I don't think it was just the hit itself, I don't think Fisher knew his QB was ever in trouble because you're right, it would raise a red flag.

I see no benefit, only detriment, in keeping Case on the field in that condition. I don't see any argument on why Fisher would even 'want' to leave Case in there in that scenario. Again, it's not as if Case is a Tom, Cam or Aaron.

If just one of you could come up with a single legitimate reason for Fisher 'wanting' his 2nd string QB out there dazed and confused with the ball in his hands in a game defining moment (Maybe even a season defining moment), I may be convinced to jump on the ole bandwagon but there isn't one.

IMO it's just frustration due to the situation and the final outcome.

I think the bottom line is this...Fisher should've either known or have been told what was happening. The trainers run on the field to take a look at the QB and no one runs over and tells Fisher, hey the QB is down!!!...If that's true, the power structure within this team is completely broken...

 

[Vitamike]

It's just another strike against Fisher. He HAS to be aware of his QB's health status. Foles was aware, how can the coach not be? And where was the league appointed specialist to stop play and get him out of there? Multiple failings on that one, including Fisher.

I get what you are saying but I don't think it's the direct responsibility of the HC to be on the concussion watch. He has too many moving parts to be 'that guy' Now is there a direct report on the Rams payroll who does this? IDK, but you would think there would be or maybe they are trusting in the league since they actually have a guy doing nothing but that.

Trouble for me, it's not as if this was a lineman who got lost in the shuffle, it was the QB with all camera and eyes on him. We all saw it, what happened to this league official who is directly responsible for this?

 

[27mtrcougar]

I get what you are saying but I don't think it's the direct responsibility of the HC to be on the concussion watch. He has too many moving parts to be 'that guy' Now is there a direct report on the Rams payroll who does this? IDK, but you would think there would be or maybe they are trusting in the league since they actually have a guy doing nothing but that.

Trouble for me, it's not as if this was a lineman who got lost in the shuffle, it was the QB with all camera and eyes on him. We all saw it, what happened to this league official who is directly responsible for this?

Vita I agree with you but believe it or not the NFL has a loophole built in saying if the teams trainer comes onto the field that the NFL spotter can't intervene. Yes that makes no sense but true. It just goes to show you the NFL really doesn't give a shit about concussions. They don't want A third-party being able to stop the game and change the outcome. I agree the head coach has too much going on to be responsible for something like that.

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

Vita I agree with you but believe it or not the NFL has a loophole built in saying if the teams trainer comes onto the field that the NFL spotter can't intervene. Yes that makes no sense but true. It just goes to show you the NFL really doesn't give a shit about concussions. They don't want A third-party being able to stop the game and change the outcome. I agree the head coach has too much going on to be responsible for something like that.

You are 100% correct, that is the ridiculous rule...

 

[zeke2829]

Vita I agree with you but believe it or not the NFL has a loophole built in saying if the teams trainer comes onto the field that the NFL spotter can't intervene. Yes that makes no sense but true. It just goes to show you the NFL really doesn't give a shit about concussions. They don't want A third-party being able to stop the game and change the outcome. I agree the head coach has too much going on to be responsible for something like that.

I think the refs should step in! Kind of like boxing, they are right there, they can tell first and foremost if a player cant stand up or not. Let the ref decide if he should at least have a doctor look at him! Call an injury time out!

 

[Vitamike]

Vita I agree with you but believe it or not the NFL has a loophole built in saying if the teams trainer comes onto the field that the NFL spotter can't intervene. Yes that makes no sense but true. It just goes to show you the NFL really doesn't give a shit about concussions. They don't want A third-party being able to stop the game and change the outcome. I agree the head coach has too much going on to be responsible for something like that.

No I don't believe that is right.

'Not attended to by the teams medical staff' is not 'loop holed' by the trainer running out on the field and asking the QB if he's okay.

Watch this, it's explains it well and discusses the NFL's role by the spotter.

 

[27mtrcougar]

I think the refs should step in! Kind of like boxing, they are right there, they can tell first and foremost if a player cant stand up or not. Let the ref decide if he should at least have a doctor look at him! Call an injury time out!

I agree but I would say anyone can stop it. Ref, guy upstairs or trainer, hell even a player but that probably wouldn't happen. But yeah ref for sure if it's obvious like this.

 

[Retroram52]

I get what you are saying but I don't think it's the direct responsibility of the HC to be on the concussion watch. He has too many moving parts to be 'that guy' Now is there a direct report on the Rams payroll who does this? IDK, but you would think there would be or maybe they are trusting in the league since they actually have a guy doing nothing but that.

Trouble for me, it's not as if this was a lineman who got lost in the shuffle, it was the QB with all camera and eyes on him. We all saw it, what happened to this league official who is directly responsible for this?

Baloney Vita. If the HC doesn't know the status of QB during the game (or any player for that matter) why are you and others asking for another person who is? And this is Fisher's guy. I guarantee you if Tom Brady went down like that Belicheat would be all over that one.

And I guarantee you that other players like Mason and perhaps Janoris Jenkins are watching this and coming to some pretty direct conclusions about Fisher. I can also guarantee you that the NFL will come up with something about Fisher that is not going to be good after they are done with their investigation.

 

[Vitamike]

Baloney Vita. If the HC doesn't know the status of QB during the game (or any player for that matter) why are you and others asking for another person who is? And this is Fisher's guy. I guarantee you if Tom Brady went down like that Belicheat would be all over that one.

And I guarantee you that other players like Mason and perhaps Janoris Jenkins are watching this and coming to some pretty direct conclusions about Fisher. I can also guarantee you that the NFL will come up with something about Fisher that is not going to be good after they are done with their investigation.

So you are stating during the course of a game, it is the direct responsibility of the HC to know the health status of every player on the field for every play.

Well, we will just have to disagree Retro, and your guarantees are perhaps the only baloney being served here.

You have no real insight to what's going on in these players heads, it's only your own speculations driven by your personal biases.

As far as the NFL goes, no one will be surprised if they look for a scapegoat here but it clear to most that while Fisher may be ultimately responsible for the conduct of his team, as in trainers and medical staff, it wont be due to his direct failure to act in this scenario in 'knowing the status' of anyone of his players.

 

[27mtrcougar]

No I don't believe that is right.

'Not attended to by the teams medical staff' is not 'loop holed' by the trainer running out on the field and asking the QB if he's okay.

Watch this, it's explains it well and discusses the NFL's role by the spotter.

Did you hear the loophole? Spotter has the ablity to call down at anytime unless he's being attended to by the team staff. AKA the trainer. IDK that's how I take it. And that's what they said on the radio today. It's a joke!!

 

[UnrealTerm04]

Keenum should sue the NFL for leaving him out there.

Ha right! Its not like he'd get another job playing QB anywhere else but the Rams, LOL.

 

[Vitamike]

Did you hear the loophole? Spotter has the ablity to call down at anytime unless he's being attended to by the team staff. AKA the trainer. IDK that's how I take it. And that's what they said on the radio today. It's a joke!!

You are hearing what you want to. First they never use the word 'unless'. Second this is what they actually said...

The NFL has had a concussion protocol in place since late 2011, even expanding the role of those independent spotters beginning this season, giving them the power to stop the game if there is....

"Clear visual evidence" of the player "displaying obvious signs of disorientation or is clearly unstable" and is "attempting to remain in the game and not being attended to by the team's medical staff"
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There is suppose to be a 'sideline assessment' performed when the above happens. Having the trainer go out on the field does not meet this obligation to he players safety under this protocol.

Here is the actual NFL concussion protocol for your review and there no loop holes like you are suggesting.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/lyris/pdfs/NFL_Diagnosis_Mgmt_Concussion.pdf

 

[27mtrcougar]

You are hearing what you want to. First they never use the word 'unless'. Second this is what they actually said...

The NFL has had a concussion protocol in place since late 2011, even expanding the role of those independent spotters beginning this season, giving them the power to stop the game if there is....

"Clear visual evidence" of the player "displaying obvious signs of disorientation or is clearly unstable" and is "attempting to remain in the game and not being attended to by the team's medical staff"
​

There is suppose to be a 'sideline assessment' performed with the above happens. Having the trainer go out on the field does not meet this obligation to he players safety under this protocol.

Here is the actual NFL concussion protocol for your review and there no loop holes like you are suggesting.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/lyris/pdfs/NFL_Diagnosis_Mgmt_Concussion.pdf

Hmm well that's the excuse the NFL is giving why the spotter didn't call down.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Ha right! Its not like he'd get another job playing QB anywhere else but the Rams, LOL.

Precisely why he should sue their ass and retire.

 

[Vitamike]

I think it may be the 'Independent Spotter' who would get sued since he had the power to stop the game if the previously stated conditions were met.

I regard the label of 'Independent Spotter' as independent from the two clubs in the game and not independent from the NFL.