NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[trojanfan12]

Simple. Let the ref in the box correct egregiously bad penalty calls. They already do that for some catch/no catch calls and the like.

So in an era where we are trying to speed games up...they should be slowed down.

 

[shopson67]

Gotta love folks who rail against players and coaches making medical decisions and demanding that doctors be brought to the sidelines, including a doctor not affiliated with a team, to make those decisions, then railing against doctors when the doctor agrees with the coach/player.

The league is not going to convince anyone that Tua was not concussed in that Bills game (or at least needed to be in protocol and held out of the game) without fully releasing the process that occurred. Claiming it was a back injury is a way to fake out the protocol.

Have you heard any doctor not paid by the NFL that has not claimed that Tua should've been in the concussion protocol process? Again, grabs his head almost immediately, tires to shake out the cobwebs, stumbles, falls back down, is helped off the field. Never once grabs his back.

 

[shopson67]

So in an era where we are trying to speed games up...they should be slowed down.

Most of these accelerated calls are corrected before the teams are even back to the line. Let the official in the box be part of the call.

 

[Wamu]

You're placing these losses directly at the feet of Brissett?

Where did I say that? Seriously, which specific comment?

Am I wrong in saying the Browns are currently playing with a back up QB?

Pretty sure Watson's a better QB than Brissett. Or do you disagree?

I think they would have a better record right now with Watson.

 

[trojanfan12]

The league is not going to convince anyone that Tua was not concussed in that Bills game (or at least needed to be in protocol and held out of the game) without fully releasing the process that occurred. Claiming it was a back injury is a way to fake out the protocol.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[shopson67]

Where did I say that? Seriously, which specific comment?

Am I wrong in saying the Browns are currently playing with a back up QB?

Pretty sure Watson's a better QB than Brissett. Or do you disagree?

I think they would have a better record right now with Watson.

Throwing Watson in there will eventually improve things, but it may not be as immediate as you're hoping for. I'm pretty sure everyone expected more out of the Drew Lock / Russell Wilson exchange too. I'm merely saying there is more to work on than just hoping changing QBs fixes everything. That defense is giving up 25 pts/game to some pretty bad teams.

 

[shopson67]

Thank you for proving my point.

Your point is that I'm correct? Thanks, appreciate that.

 

[trojanfan12]

Most of these accelerated calls are corrected before the teams are even back to the line. Let the official in the box be part of the call.

The only way to even come close to getting every call right would be to review every call.

And if you really want to make sure that they get the possible calls right, they will have to review every play so that they can catch calls that weren't made and should have been.

Even then, they won't get it 100% right.

More reviewable plays mean more delays, there is no way around that.

 

[trojanfan12]

Your point is that I'm correct? Thanks, appreciate that.

Uh no. The point that a bunch of non doctors sitting on their couch will be making medical decisions for the NFL.

Sorry you aren't smart enough to realize it.

Hey, maybe the NFL can set up a text to vote and let people watching the game decide if a player should be out or not?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Throwing Watson in there will eventually improve things, but it may not be as immediate as you're hoping for. I'm pretty sure everyone expected more out of the Drew Lock / Russell Wilson exchange too. I'm merely saying there is more to work on than just hoping changing QBs fixes everything. That defense is giving up 25 pts/game to some pretty bad teams.

They need to fire the D coordinator.

 

[shopson67]

Uh no. The point that a bunch of non doctors sitting on their couch will be making medical decisions for the NFL.

Sorry you aren't smart enough to realize it.

Hey, maybe the NFL can set up a text to vote and let people watching the game decide if a player should be out or not?

I didn't say anything about non-doctors/

 

[shopson67]

The only way to even come close to getting every call right would be to review every call.

And if you really want to make sure that they get the possible calls right, they will have to review every play so that they can catch calls that weren't made and should have been.

Even then, they won't get it 100% right.

More reviewable plays mean more delays, there is no way around that.

Progress always has it's cost. If you'd rather endure bad calls, the NFL will happily support that.

 

[trojanfan12]

I didn't say anything about non-doctors/

Sure you did. You said the NFL isn't going to convince anyone that Tua wasn't concussed.

Aside from being factually incorrect, it also implies non doctors.

 

[trojanfan12]

Progress always has it's cost. If you'd rather endure bad calls, the NFL will happily support that.

People need to make up their minds. Either speed up the game, or do everything possible to make sure no calls are missed and have longer games with more delays.

Can't have both.

 

[Heatles84]

Eh...yes and no. I think it allowed them to make a decision most anyone with 2 eyes would make differently.

Like went Colt Mccoy got rocked by Harrison and the Browns let him play the entire second half. Of which he does not remember.

This is not the same situation as McCoy though. I'll post another link:

NFL, NFLPA agree to amend concussion protocol

The NFL and NFLPA released a joint statement Saturday finalizing their review of the league's concussion protocol following Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa's apparent head injury on Sept. 25, implementing an amendment to said protocol.

www.espn.com

On Tua's back and ankle injuries:
He was immediately taken to the locker room for a concussion evaluation but informed both the team's physician and the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant (UNC) jointly hired by the NFL and NFLPA that a back and ankle injury caused him to stumble; the report found that Tagovailoa had previously reported both injuries prior to hitting his head on the ground.

On the follow up from the Bills game:

Tagovailoa also cleared follow-up concussion evaluations in the days following his initial examination and did not show concussion symptoms at any point. He was cleared to play four days after his initial evaluation against the Cincinnati Bengals on Sept. 29 but sustained a concussion after hitting his head on the ground once again, and was briefly hospitalized before being discharged and allowed to fly back to Miami with the team.

 

[Heatles84]

The league is not going to convince anyone that Tua was not concussed in that Bills game (or at least needed to be in protocol and held out of the game) without fully releasing the process that occurred. Claiming it was a back injury is a way to fake out the protocol.

Have you heard any doctor not paid by the NFL that has not claimed that Tua should've been in the concussion protocol process? Again, grabs his head almost immediately, tires to shake out the cobwebs, stumbles, falls back down, is helped off the field. Never once grabs his back.

Tua said he wasn't concussed and your post is merely shooting shots in the dark. You're going off of your opinion and not listening to anyone else, including the player himself.

 

[Heatles84]

Uh no. The point that a bunch of non doctors sitting on their couch will be making medical decisions for the NFL.

Sorry you aren't smart enough to realize it.

Hey, maybe the NFL can set up a text to vote and let people watching the game decide if a player should be out or not?

We've already seen what the NFL looks like after 1 week from the "medical doctors" voicing their concerns from their couch:

- Teddy Bridgewater comes out of the game from getting up slow from a hit, not even a concussion.
- Tom Brady gets a roughing the QB call on a text book perfect sack.

 

[trojanfan12]

@DJ

Cowherd is going to be interviewing Chip Kelly in about 30 minutes.

 

[DJ Fieri]

@DJ

Cowherd is going to be interviewing Chip Kelly in about 30 minutes.

Look that up.later.....

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This is not the same situation as McCoy though. I'll post another link:

NFL, NFLPA agree to amend concussion protocol

The NFL and NFLPA released a joint statement Saturday finalizing their review of the league's concussion protocol following Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa's apparent head injury on Sept. 25, implementing an amendment to said protocol.

www.espn.com

On Tua's back and ankle injuries:
He was immediately taken to the locker room for a concussion evaluation but informed both the team's physician and the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant (UNC) jointly hired by the NFL and NFLPA that a back and ankle injury caused him to stumble; the report found that Tagovailoa had previously reported both injuries prior to hitting his head on the ground.

On the follow up from the Bills game:

Tagovailoa also cleared follow-up concussion evaluations in the days following his initial examination and did not show concussion symptoms at any point. He was cleared to play four days after his initial evaluation against the Cincinnati Bengals on Sept. 29 but sustained a concussion after hitting his head on the ground once again, and was briefly hospitalized before being discharged and allowed to fly back to Miami with the team.

And beyond that we are all more sensitive to concussion issues... Hard to believe considering Mccoy is still in the league (kudos to him) but his incident predated Junior Seau by a hair (or was within months) and the goal was to be more savvy with this stuff.

In a year we have linemen wearing pillows on their heads we are sending an at best fuzzy Tua back into a game and then having him play four days later.

But to your point there's a happy medium. And ridiculous roughing penalties are not it.