NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Stakesarehigh]

And we are all thinking it. The Dolphins found a patsy to clear their guy and he did it.

 

[Wamu]

Throwing Watson in there will eventually improve things, but it may not be as immediate as you're hoping for. I'm pretty sure everyone expected more out of the Drew Lock / Russell Wilson exchange too. I'm merely saying there is more to work on than just hoping changing QBs fixes everything. That defense is giving up 25 pts/game to some pretty bad teams.

But I never said a QB fixes everything. That's the second time you've accused of something I haven't said today. Very strange.

Time for a little review of how this got started. It all started with this.

You're placing these losses directly at the feet of Brissett?

I never did that. You incorrectly think that. Then I said this.

Where did I say that? Seriously, which specific comment?

Am I wrong in saying the Browns are currently playing with a back up QB?

Pretty sure Watson's a better QB than Brissett. Or do you disagree?

I think they would have a better record right now with Watson.

So what does throwing Watson in there eventually have to do with me saying the Browns are currently playing with a back up journeyman QB?

 

[Heatles84]

And we are all thinking it. The Dolphins found a patsy to clear their guy and he did it.

The doctors that are brought in are approved and hired by the NFL and NFLPA. For a multi-billion dollar company, the NFL is going to do their due diligence, especially when it comes to bringing in doctors that are evaluating concussions. Hiring mediocre or unqualified doctors are going to hurt the NFL more, not help.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The doctors that are brought in are approved and hired by the NFL and NFLPA. For a multi-billion dollar company, the NFL is going to do their due diligence, especially when it comes to bringing in doctors that are evaluating concussions. Hiring mediocre or unqualified doctors are going to hurt the NFL more, not help.

And that's why he gone

 

[trojanfan12]

And we are all thinking it. The Dolphins found a patsy to clear their guy and he did it.

Anyone who knows that the NFL and NFLPA does the hiring of those doctors and the team has nothing to do with it aren't thinking that.

Teams have their own doctor and there is another doctor who is unaffiliated with any teams. For a player to return to a game, both doctors have to clear him.

The accusation you make in this post is the main reason the unaffiliated doctor is there.

 

[Heatles84]

And that's why he gone

Do you have the exact reason as to why he's gone? The public reasons given are very nebulous because you have "several mistakes" mixed in with "followed the protocols". Again, you mentioned that the Dolphins "found a patsy to clear their guy and he did it". I provided logical basis as to why that's not the case. Him being gone doesn't indicate that the Phins went outside of the general network of doctors approved by both the NFL and NFLPA.

 

[Heatles84]

Anyone who knows that the NFL and NFLPA does the hiring of those doctors and the team has nothing to do with it aren't thinking that.

Teams have their own doctor and there is another doctor who is unaffiliated with any teams. For a player to return to a game, both doctors have to clear him.

The accusation you make in this post is the main reason the unaffiliated doctor is there.

It's these simple concepts that people chose to ignore.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Anyone who knows that the NFL and NFLPA does the hiring of those doctors and the team has nothing to do with it aren't thinking that.

Teams have their own doctor and there is another doctor who is unaffiliated with any teams. For a player to return to a game, both doctors have to clear him.

The accusation you make in this post is the main reason the unaffiliated doctor is there.

I agree but I very much believe this situation is a one off and that's why he's fired.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

They're not going to publicly acknowledge that and open themselves to a huge amount of liability...especially if Tua ends up a mushroom.

 

[tlance]

some of these plays in football are near impossible to see full speed/live. A catch near the sideline? One guy needs to see if receiver caught it, had it controlled all the way through, were his feet in bounds, did the defender interfere.

could be something like this in the NBA...guess a major difference is one call could change entire complexion of the game in the NFL while unless it's near the end that is not likely to happen on a random bball call.

Yeah, definitely true that 1 call could make a much greater impact in an NFL game.

Just going off what I have been told by someone who did both at a high level.

And I have reffed enough basketball at low levels to understand how impossibly hard it is.

 

[shopson67]

People need to make up their minds. Either speed up the game, or do everything possible to make sure no calls are missed and have longer games with more delays.

Can't have both.

I don't care about speeding up the game. Same with baseball (actually, especially with baseball).

 

[tlance]

Tua said he wasn't concussed and your post is merely shooting shots in the dark. You're going off of your opinion and not listening to anyone else, including the player himself.

Tua’s word is meaningless here.

Many players would say anything to get back on the field during the big game, long term consequence be damned.

 

[shopson67]

We've already seen what the NFL looks like after 1 week from the "medical doctors" voicing their concerns from their couch:

- Teddy Bridgewater comes out of the game from getting up slow from a hit, not even a concussion.
- Tom Brady gets a roughing the QB call on a text book perfect sack.

The Tom Brady one has nothing to do with it. He's had that level of protection all along. In fact, the low blow that did force him to miss games resulted in a new rule against going low on QBs.

 

[shopson67]

Tua’s word is meaningless here.

Many players would say anything to get back on the field during the big game, long term consequence be damned.

This is a huge part of the reason they need the protocols to start with. Players (and teams) too willing to take that risk.

 

[dtgold88]

So in an era where we are trying to speed games up...they should be slowed down.

To be fair this seems to be something that can be done quickly. Play does not even need to be stopped if I understand the concept. IF they see an egregious call then they stop play to correct it. Hell, it could speed up the games as maybe teams would hurry to get the next play off.

 

[shopson67]

Tua said he wasn't concussed and your post is merely shooting shots in the dark. You're going off of your opinion and not listening to anyone else, including the player himself.

The player himself is not trustworthy. Can you identify whether or not you've had a brain injury? And that's removing the aspect that most players want to return (and often feel they can, even if concussed).

I'm going off the "opinion" of every neurologist not employed by the NFL to back the shield.

 

[dtgold88]

They need to fire the D coordinator.

could happen but not sure how much it helps to do it now as would likely stay the same scheme. Get gashed by NE? Maybe that accelerates things.

 

[shopson67]

To be fair this seems to be something that can be done quickly. Play does not even need to be stopped if I understand the concept. IF they see an egregious call then they stop play to correct it. Hell, it could speed up the games as maybe teams would hurry to get the next play off.

Such examples have been becoming more commonplace, for example for an obvious needed overrule in a catch/no catch situation that shouldn't necessitate a team to use one of their challenges.

 

[shopson67]

But I never said a QB fixes everything. That's the second time you've accused of something I haven't said today. Very strange.

Time for a little review of how this got started. It all started with this.



I never did that. You incorrectly think that. Then I said this.



So what does throwing Watson in there eventually have to do with me saying the Browns are currently playing with a back up journeyman QB?

I'm not going around and around with you on this. Find another target.

 

[Heatles84]

The player himself is not trustworthy. Can you identify whether or not you've had a brain injury? And that's removing the aspect that most players want to return (and often feel they can, even if concussed).

I'm going off the "opinion" of every neurologist not employed by the NFL to back the shield.

The positioning of your argument could swing the other way - and yes, you probably could indicate if you've had a head injury or not. Especially if you're a football player that's played competitively for years.

And it's been mentioned ad nauseam, every neurologist that has voiced their opinion, hasn't even spoken to Tua and ran the tests. That's typically what a quality medical professional does - hold their opinion until they've properly evaluated a patient instead of looking at a TV screen.