Let's put this Warriors 'chemistry problem' to bed

[bksballer89]

Is Wiggy still taking folks posts out of context to pick e-fights? Pretty sure I said he wouldn't be posting in any more threads where he did this.

He'd be wise to follow the advice in your last sentence.

He clearly didn't listen

 

[WiggyRuss]

He clearly didn't listen

i love how directly quoting someone is "taking it out of context". You have GTBFKM.

Do you think he has been a "good rotation player" and has been a "quality third guard"- DIRECT quote from Tlance?

i mean- its not even close. If you are grading him on the scale of a 2nd round pick- ehhh...hes been okay....if you are grading him on a scale of an expectation that he would be a "good rotation player" or a "quality third guard"---- DIRECT quote from tlance- there is absolutely ZERO conclusion but to say that against that standard he has been an abject failure.

getting benched, sent to the dleague, and going for 38% shooting on 2.7-1-1 ---

do you think he has been a "good rotation player" or a "quality third guard" @bksballer ? no one could say he has.

Steve Kerr obviously doesnt think so becuase he cut his minutes and glued his ass to the bench.

 

[trojanfan12]

i love how directly quoting someone is "taking it out of context". You have GTBFKM.

Do you think he has been a "good rotation player" and has been a "quality third guard"- DIRECT quote from Tlance?

i mean- its not even close. If you are grading him on the scale of a 2nd round pick- ehhh...hes been okay....if you are grading him on a scale of an expectation that he would be a "good rotation player" or a "quality third guard"---- DIRECT quote from tlance- there is absolutely ZERO conclusion but to say that against that standard he has been an abject failure.

getting benched, sent to the dleague, and going for 38% shooting on 2.7-1-1 ---

do you think he has been a "good rotation player" or a "quality third guard" @bksballer ? no one could say he has.

Steve Kerr obviously doesnt think so becuase he cut his minutes and glued his ass to the bench.

Yes, you did take it out of context. How about you keep pushing it? That would be really smart. @tlance said that he would be a rotational player because of his defense, which he was and may be again.

You started posting offensive numbers (which were never part of tlance's argument) and claiming that tlance said he'd be some kind of major player. This kind of bullshit and never admitting you are wrong (even though you claim you always do) is why you have zero credibility.

 

[tlance]

TLANCE'S DIRECT QUOTE:

"I think it is fair to be excited. The main "weakness" most can find with the Warriors is depth. They don't need McCaw to be a star, they simply need him to be a good rotation player and he seems ready to be just that.

His length and skill will allow him to fit in perfectly in the Warrior system. They now have 3 quality reserve guards which will help them navigate the regular season and survive injuries in the playoffs."


thats your direct quote.

this is my original post:

well thats insane considering he is a rookie.

I ll bet you that Mccaw averages less than 12 minutes a game this season. Rookies almost NEVER help championship teams. 2nd round rookies pretty much NEVER. To hype this guy as an actual contributor as a rookie is extremely unfair to him and is also delusional.



last night McCaw played 1 minute. The most he has played in a warriors game since before Christmas.


I was right and you were wrong @tlance you are just gonna have to accept that.

2.8, 1-1 on 38% shooting, getting sent to the dleague, and losing all your minutes.....does that make you a "quality reserve" and a "good rotation player"--- DIRECT quotes from your post?

obviously not. Thanks for playing though

i mean- unless you want to try and say that McCaw has been a "good rotation player" LOL.....


EXACTLY what i said would happen is happening- McCaw is not a contributor- as it is EXCEEDINGLY rare for a 2nd round rookie to be a contributor to a championship teams rotation.

In the last 13 games the Warriors have played- ALL GAMES MCCAW has been healthy for- McCaw has scored a total of 8 points and played a total of 81 minutes. That will give you absolutely stunning averages of 6.2 minutes and 0.6 pts per game.

a "good rotation player" - as the Direct quote from Tlance says? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

See, here you go making stuff up.

Yes, I wrote the above post over the summer. But, you did not write this response at that time. Your current post leads everyone to believe that was your response to my post written above.

The conversation in question took place in a thread started by @CitySushi on 10/26 referencing the Warriors opening night defeat to the Spurs.

I made a simple comment about how I was expecting to see more of McCaw early on because of his defense, in a game where the Dubs were getting eviscerated on that end, and you replied with your above gem.

So go ahead and keep twisting words and providing misleading information, but you are not fooling anyone here.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Rotation player is simply one who is apart of the nighly rotation. Bringing up his stats is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with him being in the rotation

so if a guy played 1 minute a night for 82 games- you would consider that player part of that teams rotation? that the most important thing is getting on the court every night- amt. of minutes doesnt matter, production doesnt matter- if you are on the court for all 82- no matter if you play 1 minute a night- you are part of that teams rotation.

if so- cool- i certainly have a differing opinion.

 

[WiggyRuss]

See, here you go making stuff up.

Yes, I wrote the above post over the summer. But, you did not write this response at that time. Your current post leads everyone to believe that was your response to my post written above.

The conversation in question took place in a thread started by @CitySushi on 10/26 referencing the Warriors opening night defeat to the Spurs.

I made a simple comment about how I was expecting to see more of McCaw early on because of his defense, in a game where the Dubs were getting eviscerated on that end, and you replied with your above gem.

So go ahead and keep twisting words and providing misleading information, but you are not fooling anyone here.

wait....

so let me get this straight...you didnt think McCaw would be a "quality 3rd guard" and you dont think that he seemed to be ready to be a good rotation player?

i just dont understand how thats twisting your words...if you dont think those things then i sincerely apologize. If you dont think those things we have absolutely no argument.

 

[bksballer89]

so if a guy played 1 minute a night for 82 games- you would consider that player part of that teams rotation? that the most important thing is getting on the court every night- amt. of minutes doesnt matter, production doesnt matter- if you are on the court for all 82- no matter if you play 1 minute a night- you are part of that teams rotation.

if so- cool- i certainly have a differing opinion.

No I would not. He obviously played more minutes than that most nights when he played. Otherwise his MPG avg would not be around 12 MPG if he was playing a minute or two per game. There is a reason its called an avg.

 

[bksballer89]

“He earned it, really starting in the summer,” Warriors coach Steve Kerr said. “He was one of the best players in summer league and playing a position where we have some need. He had a fantastic training camp. He had a huge game in Denver in the preseason where he made the game-tying three and then a game-winning two at the buzzer in overtime. Rookies don’t normally do stuff like that. He’s got a good feel. He’s a smart player and he fits what we do well and we trust him.”

Even Kerr concedes he didn’t expect his rookies, McCaw or No. 30 pick Damian Jones, to play much. Neither has, especially Jones, as the ex-Vanderbilt star has been on a regular commute to Santa Cruz while getting in one NBA game for nine minutes. But McCaw showed he was “definitely beyond his years in terms of his readiness” after just two seasons at UNLV, Kerr said, and has capitalized on the opening.

 

[WiggyRuss]

No I would not. He obviously played more minutes than that most nights when he played. Otherwise his MPG avg would not be around 12 MPG if he was playing a minute or two per game. There is a reason its called an avg.

alright alright alright

okay. so like i said- now we are getting somewhere.

so you are saying minutes played matters-

1 minute a night (even if you play all 82) = no good----

12 minutes a night- but getting a handful of DNP-CD DOES make you a rotation player= YES rotation player

is that fair to say?

so- somewhere in between 1 minute a night- and 12 minutes a night with a handful of DNP's- somewhere in between- a guy becomes a rotation player....

okay....

whats that line for you then? 10 minutes and playing in half a teams games? 8 minutes and playing in a third of games? 12 minutes and playing 2/3's of a teams games? stats? production? whats YOUR line? whats YOUR standard?

ill tell ya my line- my line isnt tied to stats- or minutes played- though those are pretty good indicators- my line is, my standard is:

do you play and contribute in meanigful way on a nightly basis

and if you say that McCaw has played and contributed in a meaningful way on a nightly basis you are lying.

 

[bksballer89]

im not talking about any specifically when i ask that question.

okay. so like i said- now we are getting somewhere.

so you are saying minutes played matters- 1 minute no good---- 12 minutes a night- but getting a handful of DNP-CD DOES make you a rotation player

is that fair to say?

so- somewhere in between 1 minute a night- and 12 minutes a night with a handful of DNP's- somewhere in between- a guy becomes a rotation player....

okay....

whats that line?

ill tell ya my line- my line isnt tied to stats- or minutes played- though those are pretty good indicators- my line is, my standard is:

do you play and contribute in meanigful way on a nightly basis

and if you say that McCaw has played and contributed in a meaningful way on a nightly basis you are lying.

If you can't see the difference between getting 1 MPG and 12 MPG then there is no need to discuss this topic. You probably there is no difference between playing 18 MPG & 30 MPG.

 

[WiggyRuss]

If you can't see the difference between getting 1 MPG and 12 MPG then there is no need to discuss this topic. You probably there is no difference between playing 18 MPG & 30 MPG.

so the line for you is 12 minutes and a handful of DNP-CD's....if you play 12 minutes a night, and play in about 2/3rds-3/4's of a teams games- you are tapped on the shoulder by a magic wand and christened a "Rotation Player"

alright...cool

my stanard isnt minutes, isnt production- its like I said---

do you play and meaningfully contribute on a nightly basis---

i think that is teh best definition of a rotation player anyone could develop

if your definition is- playing in 2/3rds of a teams games and at least 12 minutes a night and your production doesnt matter--- thats cool....i would hope thats not what your standard is- and i suspect it isnt what your standard is- but if it is- thats cool.

I just think that is strange.

i think a definition of:

do you play and meaningfully contribute on a nightly basis---

is perfect.

by that definition- Kay Felder isnt close to a rotation player- and idont think anyone would call himn that? would you? or McCaw- or probably 90% of the 2nd round picks in the whole entire league that are rookies this year.

 

[CitySushi]

Lets try this out:

@WiggyRuss

Is DeAndre Liggins a rotational player for the Cavs?

 

[WiggyRuss]

If you can't see the difference between getting 1 MPG and 12 MPG then there is no need to discuss this topic. You probably there is no difference between playing 18 MPG & 30 MPG.

im saying there is a difference---- obviously there is a HUGE difference between playing 18 a night and 30 a night- its the difference between playing backup's minutes and starters minutes....if you played 30 minutes a night - even if you are coming off the bench- really- you are a defacto starter.

 

[tlance]

wait....

so let me get this straight...you didnt think McCaw would be a "quality 3rd guard" and you dont think that he seemed to be ready to be a good rotation player?

i just dont understand how thats twisting your words...if you dont think those things then i sincerely apologize. If you dont think those things we have absolutely no argument.

3rd guard off the bench. Not 3rd guard.

And yeah, you are twisting my words.

 

[bksballer89]

3rd guard off the bench. Not 3rd guard.

And yeah, you are twisting my words.

This is rather shocking.........not

 

[CitySushi]

But how can DeAndre Liggins be a rotational player? He hasn't played nightly throughout the season. He was inactive for 3 game and didn't even dress. He was a DNP-CD 5 times this season, which is more than McCaw has had due to coach's decision.

Oh and lets look at his season averages

16:11 MPG 2.9 Pts, 1.8 Rebs, 1.2 assists

Or are you cherry picking, when the guy plays in the rotation? Or is it his statistical output? I can't keep up with which direction you're going now.

You know, DeAndre Liggins, the guy who's starting for the Cavs.

 

[bksballer89]

so the line for you is 12 minutes and a handful of DNP-CD's....if you play 12 minutes a night, and play in about 2/3rds-3/4's of a teams games- you are tapped on the shoulder by a magic wand and christened a "Rotation Player"

alright...cool

my stanard isnt minutes, isnt production- its like I said---

do you play and meaningfully contribute on a nightly basis---

i think that is teh best definition of a rotation player anyone could develop

if your definition is- playing in 2/3rds of a teams games and at least 12 minutes a night and your production doesnt matter--- thats cool....i would hope thats not what your standard is- and i suspect it isnt what your standard is- but if it is- thats cool.

I just think that is strange.

i think a definition of:

do you play and meaningfully contribute on a nightly basis---

is perfect.

by that definition- Kay Felder isnt close to a rotation player- and idont think anyone would call himn that? would you? or McCaw- or probably 90% of the 2nd round picks in the whole entire league that are rookies this year.

Guys can contribute in several different ways. Things you can't see on the box score.

 

[tlance]

But how can DeAndre Liggins be a rotational player? He hasn't played nightly throughout the season. He was inactive for 3 game and didn't even dress. He was a DNP-CD 5 times this season, which is more than McCaw has had due to coach's decision.

Oh and lets look at his season averages

16:11 MPG 2.9 Pts, 1.8 Rebs, 1.2 assists

Or are you cherry picking, when the guy plays in the rotation? Or is it his statistical output? I can't keep up with which direction you're going now.

You know, DeAndre Liggins, the guy who's starting for the Cavs.

I literally can't wait to see the response. I won't be shocked if there is none.

 

[bksballer89]

But how can DeAndre Liggins be a rotational player? He hasn't played nightly throughout the season. He was inactive for 3 game and didn't even dress. He was a DNP-CD 5 times this season, which is more than McCaw has had due to coach's decision.

Oh and lets look at his season averages

16:11 MPG 2.9 Pts, 1.8 Rebs, 1.2 assists

Or are you cherry picking, when the guy plays in the rotation? Or is it his statistical output? I can't keep up with which direction you're going now.

lol I don't know why he just doesn't let it go. McCaw been in the rotation roughly for the first 2 months. If he falls out of the rotation then oh well but Kerr saw enough of him in Summer League, Training Camp, and preseason to give him consistent minutes for the first 2 months of the season. Topic is done. Guys fall out of the rotation everyday

 

[WiggyRuss]

Guys can contribute in several different ways. Things you can't see on the box score.

so does production matter? becuase unless i am mistaken- and if i am i so do thoroughly apolgoize- earlier today you said production doesnt matter....im just checking.

its not a hard question.....

what makes a guy a rotation player in your eyes? you watch a ton of basketball- you know a ton of basketball....obviously it isnt just playing a nightly basis because you said if a guy plays 1 minute a night that doesnt make him a rotation player

whats your definition? you keep telling me he is a rotation player--- how do you gauge that? whats your definition? i dont know how you can say he is a rotation player if you cant even say what you think makes a guy a rotation player. You watch a ton of basketball- cmon.