Geno Staying put

[HaroldSeattle]

Like I said, you don't want him back.

Not at the cost you propose.

 

[flyerhawk]

Not at the cost you propose.

Why any cost if he was a mirage?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Why any cost if he was a mirage?

Knows the system and would be fine as a backup, much like he was in 2021 and he would be just temporary.

 

[flyerhawk]

Knows the system and would be fine as a backup, much like he was in 2021 and he would be just temporary.

And since there is zero chance he will be signed to be a backup, that means you don't want him back.

You prefer we roll the dice on any of the QBs and sign Mariota or someone of his ilk. That's fine. I disagree with that approach because it is just a wing and a prayer.

 

[wilwhite]

@HaroldSeattle and @flyerhawk

Geno was #5 in passer rating, #6 in ESPN's QBR (which accounts for the whole contribution to every play but is opaque) and #9 in ANY/A (which uses the passer rating factors plus sacks and sack yards).

I would expect Geno to be outside the top 10 in all of those next year, but above the bottom 10. I suspect you both would agree that's likely. The difference is Hawk thinks $45 million guaranteed out of $100 million for a 3 year contract with an out after two is the market for a free-agent QB in that range (and may be right), while Harold doesn't understand the point of that because it really just means a couple more years of the team being maybe above-average and you might as well use a cheaper journeyman for that, and betting on a young QB is more fun.

Almost certain that one of Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson will be there at 5.

IMO the only mistake is paying Geno that kind of money AND drafting a QB, because then it's hard to fix the D.

I have no team. Kinda rooting for Carroll and the Seahawks of late, and I'll root for them more if they do something interesting at QB.

 

[flyerhawk]

@HaroldSeattle and @flyerhawk

Geno was #5 in passer rating, #6 in ESPN's QBR (which accounts for the whole contribution to every play but is opaque) and #9 in ANY/A (which uses the passer rating factors plus sacks and sack yards).

I would expect Geno to be outside the top 10 in all of those next year, but above the bottom 10. I suspect you both would agree that's likely. The difference is Hawk thinks $45 million guaranteed out of $100 million for a 3 year contract with an out after two is the market for a free-agent QB in that range (and may be right), while Harold doesn't understand the point of that because it really just means a couple more years of the team being maybe above-average and you might as well use a cheaper journeyman for that, and betting on a young QB is more fun.

Almost certain that one of Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson will be there at 5.

IMO the only mistake is paying Geno that kind of money AND drafting a QB, because then it's hard to fix the D.

I have no team. Kinda rooting for Carroll and the Seahawks of late, and I'll root for them more if they do something interesting at QB.

I don't much care for all of the obsession over salary cap commitment.

What I don't want is just to punt the 2023 season and hope that one of these QBs turns into an absolute stud when all of them have flaws. And I really don't want Richardson.

My main reason for wanting Geno back is because I am just tired of the defense being so mediocre. We had a great draft last year and some of the other guys like Taylor and Nwosu looked like they were ready for the part as well. If the Seahawks could get 1 or 2 real difference makers on the front 7, the defense could be DRAMATICALLY better. If we can turn things around quickly on D, while we still have guys like Tyler and DK then the team could be really good even with an average QB.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I don't much care for all of the obsession over salary cap commitment.

What I don't want is just to punt the 2023 season and hope that one of these QBs turns into an absolute stud when all of them have flaws. And I really don't want Richardson.

My main reason for wanting Geno back is because I am just tired of the defense being so mediocre. We had a great draft last year and some of the other guys like Taylor and Nwosu looked like they were ready for the part as well. If the Seahawks could get 1 or 2 real difference makers on the front 7, the defense could be DRAMATICALLY better. If we can turn things around quickly on D, while we still have guys like Tyler and DK then the team could be really good even with an average QB.

I mean fair points flyer... That said, a lot of us share the same opinion that if we can do what we did with Geno, we can do it with a lot of guys...

I mean look back on these boards, nobody is really against resigning Geno, but when it starts to escalate in price, that's where it becomes a problem. Especially when at this point ya gotta consider the next head coach to be Waldron (who is offensively oriented and young enough to fulfill the role) along with Schneider who IMO is a fantastic QB scout, it starts making too much sense.

Fine... resign Geno for $20M or less per, and draft away on defense which everyone will agree is the biggest liability of the team. If Geno is going to cost a ridiculous amount (SOMEONE... I guarantee some dumbass team will overpay him, the Jets are already rumored to have interest), consider drafting a QB, plug and playing in IMO one of the most talented offensive skill positions in the NFL (outside of RG and C) and spend money elsewhere.

IMO we do not need an overpaid QB to lead this team (which is exactly what Geno is going to be IMO). We're not even close! Metcalf, Lockett, Goodwin, Fant, Dissly, Parkinson, Walker, Cross, Lucas, Lewis... you've got an all pro offensive roster there. Let's take it one step further and you've got a great offensive coordinator who is very offensive minded and got the best out of Jared fuckin' Goof.

 

[flyerhawk]

I mean fair points flyer... That said, a lot of us share the same opinion that if we can do what we did with Geno, we can do it with a lot of guys...

I think that is a faulty assumption that fans make. And I don't think you will find many coaches who think that QBs are plug n play.

I mean look back on these boards, nobody is really against resigning Geno, but when it starts to escalate in price, that's where it becomes a problem. Especially when at this point ya gotta consider the next head coach to be Waldron (who is offensively oriented and young enough to fulfill the role) along with Schneider who IMO is a fantastic QB scout, it starts making too much sense.

Fine... resign Geno for $20M or less per, and draft away on defense which everyone will agree is the biggest liability of the team. If Geno is going to cost a ridiculous amount (SOMEONE... I guarantee some dumbass team will overpay him, the Jets are already rumored to have interest), consider drafting a QB, plug and playing in IMO one of the most talented offensive skill positions in the NFL (outside of RG and C) and spend money elsewhere.

I just don't get why so many people seem obsessed with 20 million a year like that is some magic number. I honestly feel like folks have just dug their heels and said "Fine 20 million is ok but no more!" precisely because virtually ZERO outlets are suggesting that he could be signed for that.

IMO we do not need an overpaid QB to lead this team (which is exactly what Geno is going to be IMO). We're not even close! Metcalf, Lockett, Goodwin, Fant, Dissly, Parkinson, Walker, Cross, Lucas, Lewis... you've got an all pro offensive roster there. Let's take it one step further and you've got a great offensive coordinator who is very offensive minded and got the best out of Jared fuckin' Goof.

It's not like we can carry cap space forward.

 

[tabascojet]

Saw a mock today that had richardson to the seahawks at 9.... you're welcome

 

[HaroldSeattle]

@HaroldSeattle and @flyerhawk

Geno was #5 in passer rating, #6 in ESPN's QBR (which accounts for the whole contribution to every play but is opaque) and #9 in ANY/A (which uses the passer rating factors plus sacks and sack yards).

I would expect Geno to be outside the top 10 in all of those next year, but above the bottom 10. I suspect you both would agree that's likely. The difference is Hawk thinks $45 million guaranteed out of $100 million for a 3 year contract with an out after two is the market for a free-agent QB in that range (and may be right), while Harold doesn't understand the point of that because it really just means a couple more years of the team being maybe above-average and you might as well use a cheaper journeyman for that, and betting on a young QB is more fun.

Almost certain that one of Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson will be there at 5.

IMO the only mistake is paying Geno that kind of money AND drafting a QB, because then it's hard to fix the D.

I have no team. Kinda rooting for Carroll and the Seahawks of late, and I'll root for them more if they do something interesting at QB.

You hit some good points. I consider the purpose of trading RW is to rebuild the team to be a SB contender, not to extend being a marginal playoff team like the Seahawks have been for years and flyer desperately wants the Seahawks to continue being that marginal playoff team
even if it means committing double-digit dead money to the future for someone not even on the roster. Seahawks have a chance to draft a top 3 prospect at QB this season, something we may not see again for the foreseeable future. This is an opportunity the Seahawks should not pass on.
I don't see a consensus defender that will be available with the #5 and the Seahawks could take the money it would cost to sign Geno use it to bolster the defense, use the #5 pick on a top prospect at QB and still have a lot of strong draft capitol to fill holes in the roster. Some here think that means punting on the season but I disagree, the offense should be fine with the WRs, RB, OTs in place and the center of the OL will be addressed either with the draft or FA. The team will be fine with a rookie with the tools to succeed and a coaching staff that will ease the load for him. To me this is the path to being a SB contender again. 45 million guaranteed to Geno and passing on drafting that top prospect at QB is the path of settling for mediocre and not just for 2023 but for a few years at best.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

You hit some good points. I consider the purpose of trading RW is to rebuild the team to be a SB contender, not to extend being a marginal playoff team like the Seahawks have been for years and flyer desperately wants the Seahawks to continue being that marginal playoff team
even if it means committing double-digit dead money to the future for someone not even on the roster. Seahawks have a chance to draft a top 3 prospect at QB this season, something we may not see again for the foreseeable future. This is an opportunity the Seahawks should not pass on.
I don't see a consensus defender that will be available with the #5 and the Seahawks could take the money it would cost to sign Geno use it to bolster the defense, use the #5 pick on a top prospect at QB and still have a lot of strong draft capitol to fill holes in the roster. Some here think that means punting on the season but I disagree, the offense should be fine with the WRs, RB, OTs in place and the center of the OL will be addressed either with the draft or FA. The team will be fine with a rookie with the tools to succeed and a coaching staff that will ease the load for him. To me this is the path to being a SB contender again. 45 million guaranteed to Geno and passing on drafting that top prospect at QB is the path of settling for mediocre and not just for 2023 but for a few years at best.

Only pull the trigger on a QB if you feel VERY strongly that he’s the guy, not sure if that’s in the draft, but let’s say Seattle pulls that trigger, who’s the guy you think is worth that pick ? Personally my prediction is they trade up since we have so much draft stock and maybe go from 5th to 2nd and undercut AZ nabbing either Carter or the Anderson … Carter is probably going number 1 …

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Only pull the trigger on a QB if you feel VERY strongly that he’s the guy, not sure if that’s in the draft, but let’s say Seattle pulls that trigger, who’s the guy you think is worth that pick ? Personally my prediction is they trade up since we have so much draft stock and maybe go from 5th to 2nd and undercut AZ nabbing either Carter or the Anderson … Carter is probably going number 1 …

Carter is in trouble and his draft stock also. You heard the news about him right?

I would prefer Shroud but I'd roll with who ever the Seahawks like.

 

[flyerhawk]

Only pull the trigger on a QB if you feel VERY strongly that he’s the guy, not sure if that’s in the draft, but let’s say Seattle pulls that trigger, who’s the guy you think is worth that pick ? Personally my prediction is they trade up since we have so much draft stock and maybe go from 5th to 2nd and undercut AZ nabbing either Carter or the Anderson … Carter is probably going number 1 …

I HIGHLY doubt that the Seahawks trade up to draft a non-QB.

Personally I would feel a LOT better if we moved up in the draft a QB. That would suggest to me that there was a QB that that PC/JS felt really strongly about rather than just taking whoever is left.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I HIGHLY doubt that the Seahawks trade up to draft a non-QB.

Personally I would feel a LOT better if we moved up in the draft a QB. That would suggest to me that there was a QB that that PC/JS felt really strongly about rather than just taking whoever is left.

My gut say’s maybe, I think Pete is drooling over getting a top pass rusher, and Will Anderson fits that mold, Carter I think will be gone, Bears would be insane to pass on him …

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Carter is in trouble and his draft stock also. You heard the news about him right?

I would prefer Shroud but I'd roll with who ever the Seahawks like.

No I haven’t heard ! What happened ?

 

[flyerhawk]

My gut say’s maybe, I think Pete is drooling over getting a top pass rusher, and Will Anderson fits that mold, Carter I think will be gone, Bears would be insane to pass on him …

Carter is a big question mark right now given his legal troubles. Unclear how much trouble he will be in though.

The premium to move up in the draft is based on trying to draft a QB. The marginal value of a higher pick isn't worth it for any other position unless you are talking an historic talent like LT. No one at that level in the draft, at least coming out of college.

 

[flyerhawk]

No I haven’t heard ! What happened ?

He was street racing. There was an accident. People died. It's unclear what his involvement was, beyond street racing.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

No I haven’t heard ! What happened ?

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

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Oh Oh … Thats not good, the guy is a monster on the field though, so teams might look past it and take the chance.. BUT man, that’s not good for him …

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Oh Oh … Thats not good, the guy is a monster on the field though, so teams might look past it and take the chance.. BUT man, that’s not good for him …

No not good. Here's the story on ESPN: Top draft prospect Carter charged in fatal crash

"The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other," the police statement said.

Police investigators have determined that "alcohol impairment, racing, reckless driving, and speed were significant contributing factors to the crash." A toxicology report indicated that LeCroy's blood alcohol concentration was .197 -- more than twice the legal limit in Georgia -- at the time of the crash, according to police.

The SUV driven by LeCroy was traveling about 104 mph shortly before the crash.

According to documents and recordings of 911 calls reviewed by the Journal-Constitution, at least two vehicles driven by Georgia football players had been at the scene, including the Jeep driven by Carter, who left the scene before police or emergency personnel arrived.

Carter returned to the scene less than two hours later, according to the paper, which reported that he was asked by police whether he had been racing the vehicle that crashed.

Documents reviewed by the Journal-Constitution show that Carter first told police that he heard the crash from a nearby apartment complex, but then later told an officer he had been driving both behind and beside the SUV driven by LeCroy.

The Journal-Constitution also obtained surveillance video footage from multiple downtown locations in Athens taken the night of the crash. The footage, which also has been reviewed by police, shows three vehicles leaving the area at the same time: Carter's Jeep, LeCroy's Ford and a 2019 Dodge Charger driven by Bulldogs linebacker Jamon Dumas-Johnson.