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That would be an absurd, criminal use of resources.
Criminal? Absurd? Being a bit melodramatic. Even those who want to resign Geno want a way out after two years and so far Lock hasn't shown he's capable. Having a top 5 pick is an opportunity to find a franchise rookie QB who would also serve as insurance if Geno's play drops off too much.
 

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Criminal? Absurd? Being a bit melodramatic. Even those who want to resign Geno want a way out after two years and so far Lock hasn't shown he's capable. Having a top 5 pick is an opportunity to find a franchise rookie QB who would also serve as insurance if Geno's play drops off too much.
Yes, totally absurd to spend the $ it would take to sign Geno AND blow a top 5 pick at the same position when we need so much help on the DL. Put down the crack pipe man.
 

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Yes, totally absurd to spend the $ it would take to sign Geno AND blow a top 5 pick at the same position when we need so much help on the DL. Put down the crack pipe man.
Even the Geno believers have proposed contracts that give the Seahawks an out after two years, so he's a short term solution to the QB position at best, at worse he won't come close to repeating 2022 season and the Seahawks will need to replace him in 2023. So if it's too costly to do both then let Geno walk and take the draft compensation and attempt to land your future franchise QB while the opportunity is there.

I think we need to see what it will take to sign Geno, it may be less than some think. He was a one-year wonder at 32 so rebuilding teams may pass on him and the better teams with a need at QB have cap restraints.

The odds of finding a franchise QB are better if you draft one early although there is the risk of whiffing.
 

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Even the Geno believers have proposed contracts that give the Seahawks an out after two years, so he's a short term solution to the QB position at best, at worse he won't come close to repeating 2022 season and the Seahawks will need to replace him in 2023. So if it's too costly to do both then let Geno walk and take the draft compensation and attempt to land your future franchise QB while the opportunity is there.

I think we need to see what it will take to sign Geno, it may be less than some think. He was a one-year wonder at 32 so rebuilding teams may pass on him and the better teams with a need at QB have cap restraints.

The odds of finding a franchise QB are better if you draft one early although there is the risk of whiffing.
We've been round and round on this. Not spinning on it again. But I'll make a wager that if we sign Geno, no way in hell we are also using our top draft pick on a QB. You name the bet.

Outside of that, I also would like any Geno deal to give the team a reasonable opportunity to move on from it around the 3rd year. I think I've been pretty consistent on that (which is also why it's mostly pointless to talk about AAV).
 

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OK, a "I told you so" wager.
Sounds good.
Sounds like you think he's a short-term solution also.
I don't know. I just like options and flexibility. To me, a fair contract between the team and Geno would be something that gets him a nice payday up front but then also leaves the team with an opportunity to move on after 2 or 3 years. I have been consistent on that. I have never said that I think he'll be the starter here for 5 more years. However, I think it could be 3 years, which probably means you need a 5 year contract to do the 2 things I mentioned.
 

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I'm sure that everyone is in that boat... I don't think anyone here thinks he's a long-term solution...
And you don't draft a "franchise QB" these days without the intention of starting them by year 2. The days of learning on the bench behind a veteran for 3 years are over, for a number of reasons. Doesn't really matter what label you want to put on Geno or how you want to define "short term" in the NFL, we aren't going to bring him back as the starter and also blow our best pick on his successor. That's nuts.
 

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And you don't draft a "franchise QB" these days without the intention of starting them by year 2. The days of learning on the bench behind a veteran for 3 years are over, for a number of reasons. Doesn't really matter what label you want to put on Geno or how you want to define "short term" in the NFL, we aren't going to bring him back as the starter and also blow our best pick on his successor. That's nuts.
100% agree... There is no way we pay Geno AND draft a QB at #5... He'd be a short term solution for 2-3 years imo if we signed him... I'm not convinced that they won't go the Lock route either w/ a 2-3 year deal instead of Geno... Same goes for Lock... If they sign him 2-3 years then we won't be drafting a QB with the #5 pick...
 

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100% agree... There is no way we pay Geno AND draft a QB at #5... He'd be a short term solution for 2-3 years imo if we signed him... I'm not convinced that they won't go the Lock route either w/ a 2-3 year deal instead of Geno... Same goes for Lock... If they sign him 2-3 years then we won't be drafting a QB with the #5 pick...
Drew Lock can certainly be had for substantially less than Geno, both in up front money & average salary, as well as length of contract. That being the case, I can see them doing that and drafting a QB early if Geno isn't in the cards. No matter which one ends up being good (if either), we are only really in for a draft pick and not big money. That's a much lighter investment than a lot of other teams out there that spent both a top pick and top dollar on that position. I suspect Lock won't make any sort of movement until he sees what the team does with Geno.
 

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Here's a video that talks about the draft ( for the Seahawks) and of course the QB position. It touches on some points that I really agree with.

 

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Here's a video that talks about the draft ( for the Seahawks) and of course the QB position. It touches on some points that I really agree with.

The guys making this video have followed the Seahawks as far back as 2008, so they have some insight into the Seahawks situation year to year..
 

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I think Seattle would be just fine with a rookie QB given the offense (assuming you find a new center) and that's FAR cheaper than $30M.

Metcalf, Lockett, Goodwin, Walker, Cross/Lucas, Lewis (if he can stay healthy), and then Fant/Dissly/Parkinson? And then you've got a good offensive coordinator who now has a QB coach he's worked with? This isn't the fuckin' Panthers or Texans... the entire offense is a stud group surrounding the QB.

Jesus... why the hell are you spending $30M per year for a QB with that crew? Plug and play a high rated rookie for $7M per and call it a fuckin' day.

$20M per for Geno. Fine... that's it. And that's $20M per year for 2 years ($40M total), with $15M guaranteed. Add some incentives in if that pushes the needle.
That's a good argument.

There's also some really good WRs in this draft that could be had later in the first round/early second round. I've seen a number of mock drafts that have the Seahawks taking Jaxson Smith-Njigba who actually had a statistically better season in 2021 than teammates Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson.

Njigba: 95 catches, 1606 yards, 16.9 YPC, 9 TDs
Wilson: 70 catches, 1,058 yards, 15.1 YPC, 12 TDs
Olave: 65 catches, 936 yards, 14.4 YPC, 13 TDs

I actually think one of the biggest reasons I'd be in favor of paying Geno is because if we retain him, we don't have to necessarily use a draft pick on a QB in the first round or with our #5 selection. It would suck if we possibly missed out on some of the premium defensive talent available at #5 if we had to draft a QB there. I actually think letting Geno walk and signing a guy like Sam Darnold might be a better idea than drafting a QB in the top-5.
 

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That's a good argument.

There's also some really good WRs in this draft that could be had later in the first round/early second round. I've seen a number of mock drafts that have the Seahawks taking Jaxson Smith-Njigba who actually had a statistically better season in 2021 than teammates Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson.

Njigba: 95 catches, 1606 yards, 16.9 YPC, 9 TDs
Wilson: 70 catches, 1,058 yards, 15.1 YPC, 12 TDs
Olave: 65 catches, 936 yards, 14.4 YPC, 13 TDs

I actually think one of the biggest reasons I'd be in favor of paying Geno is because if we retain him, we don't have to necessarily use a draft pick on a QB in the first round or with our #5 selection. It would suck if we possibly missed out on some of the premium defensive talent available at #5 if we had to draft a QB there. I actually think letting Geno walk and signing a guy like Sam Darnold might be a better idea than drafting a QB in the top-5.

I only support Geno for a cheap price... this $35-40M bullshit floating around on the Internet, no thanks. Just get a rookie..
 

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I only support Geno for a cheap price... this $35-40M bullshit floating around on the Internet, no thanks. Just get a rookie..

I would take Geno for 20 mill maybe 25 with incentives but no more, Not a penny more. But I also feel 20 is to much for him and would rather they go elsewhere and use that money to make the defense better. This team wasn't a true playoff worthy team this past season because of that defense and being borderline good is a pit you can stay in forever unless you make big changes. We have been in this "borderline pit" since 2016! 7 years is long enough and i am growing tired of hearing about "Next year" or how this "feels like 2012". NO IT DOESN'T!
 

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I would take Geno for 20 mill maybe 25 with incentives but no more, Not a penny more. But I also feel 20 is to much for him and would rather they go elsewhere and use that money to make the defense better. This team wasn't a true playoff worthy team this past season because of that defense and being borderline good is a pit you can stay in forever unless you make big changes. We have been in this "borderline pit" since 2016!

Eh, you, Harold and I are on the same page....
 

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I only support Geno for a cheap price... this $35-40M bullshit floating around on the Internet, no thanks. Just get a rookie..
A guy I actually like in the 2nd-3rd rounds even if we extend Geno is Hendon Hooker. Not sure where he'll end up falling, but if not for his age, ACL injury and the fact that he played in a gimmicky offense, I think he'd be in first round consideration. I actually think he's a better QB than any of the prospects available last year, which speaks more of how poor that QB draft class is than to Hooker's ability.

Signing a guy like Darnold and letting him compete with Hooker wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Darnold has been in the league 5 years and hasn't been very impressive, but the talent is there and he has been in some pretty shitty situations. In a good situation perhaps he can tap into that talent.
 

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A guy I actually like in the 2nd-3rd rounds even if we extend Geno is Hendon Hooker. Not sure where he'll end up falling, but if not for his age, ACL injury and the fact that he played in a gimmicky offense, I think he'd be in first round consideration. I actually think he's a better QB than any of the prospects available last year, which speaks more of how poor that QB draft class is than to Hooker's ability.

Signing a guy like Darnold and letting him compete with Hooker wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Darnold has been in the league 5 years and hasn't been very impressive, but the talent is there and he has been in some pretty shitty situations. In a good situation perhaps he can tap into that talent.

Interesting take 234... I think I've heard you mention Hooker a few times. I don't know much about him myself, but I'm favoring more and more snagging a QB on the cheap. I think we have an offensive unit and the coaching that can EASILY get the most out of a cheaper QB (whether through the draft or free agency) rather than overpaying Geno.
 

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True. I just wonder given Carroll only has 3 years left (I think?) if he'll just rack up the debt to build as competent of a team in the NOW and then screw over anyone coming in, in 2025... and in 2025 he might just say, "Aw F it, I retire." He doesn't need that last $10M at this point lol. Yah that's a shitty move, but I could see it. Schneider is also what, almost mid 60s? He might not be that far from retiring either.

Kind of shitty for us fans if that's how it goes down, but if we have no cap room by 2025 and we absolutely suck, I guess we'll draft a top 3 QB in 2026? lol. Anyway, I hope all that is not the case because I think we nailed this draft and have a lot of good young talent. Lucas/Cross might be quite expensive by 2025 (and I know Cross wasn't elite, he's also 21...), Walker, Woolen, and Mafe wasn't bad, he was very serviceable given how raw he was. It would suck to let those guys walk because we racked up the credit card.
I can't see Pete leaving the Seahawks a mess if his next move is into the FO. Even if he fully retires I still don't see it and that's why this draft is so important.
 

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Interesting take 234... I think I've heard you mention Hooker a few times. I don't know much about him myself, but I'm favoring more and more snagging a QB on the cheap. I think we have an offensive unit and the coaching that can EASILY get the most out of a cheaper QB (whether through the draft or free agency) rather than overpaying Geno.
College stats are extremely misleading for a ton of reasons but here is what Hooker did in 24 games at Tennessee:

68.8% completion percentage, 6080 yards, 9.6 yards per attempt, 58 TD passes, 5 interceptions, 1046 yards rushing (3.9 YPC) 10 TDs.

Although I am parroting what PFF has to say about him, he played in a gimmicky offense, he is older, coming off an ACL injury and when he breaks the pocket he seldom throws the ball and just tucks it and runs. Also when you look at where his targeted passes go, it's very heavily outside the lines with not many attempts over the middle.

He'll either turn out to be a good QB, or it'll become obvious that he was a product of the system he was in. I feel like a nerd saying this, but I'll need to watch and read more about him before I have a definitive take simply because everything I'm writing is based on what I've seen from him in the games I've watched him play with Tennessee the last two years.

I will add that I think there is a high probability Geno stays with the Seahawks. If I'm correct, if the Seahawks tag him and trade him, we're still on the hook for his 2023 cap hit even though he'll be playing on another team. Not positive on that one though.
 
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