Game #12 Bills @ NE Patriots Thursday 12/1/2022 8:15 PM PRIME

[BigKen]

Everyone is expecting a beating for the Patriots as a reminder that they aren't good and the Bills' loss in the frigid game last year was nothing more than everything falling in place for them and nothing for the Bills.

Josh Allen found out that he's not invincible and there are teams looking to lay licks on him and take the energy out of the Bills offense. The Patriots pass rush will be a huge concern for the Bills and protecting JA will be priority #1.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Josh Allen found out that he's not invincible and there are teams looking to lay licks on him and take the energy out of the Bills offense. The Patriots pass rush will be a huge concern for the Bills and protecting JA will be priority #1.

It's good to have a QB that can move.

QB's that rely on their running ability are more likely to suffer injuries and have shorter careers. So keep running Josh.

 

[nefansince75]

It's good to have a QB that can move.

QB's that rely on their running ability are more likely to suffer injuries and have shorter careers. So keep running Josh.

Big Ben managed to earn two rings with that type of approach. Most fan bases would appreciate that.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Big Ben managed to earn two rings with that type of approach. Most fan bases would appreciate that.

Big Ben could move and did once in a while.

He was not a running QB.

 

[nefansince75]

Big Ben could move and did once in a while.

He was not a running QB.

Big Ben wouldn't go down which exposed him to the same risks as the runners. It's why I referred to his play as "that type of approach". Josh takes hits, Big Molester took hits.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Bills 28

Pats 13

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Big Ben wouldn't go down which exposed him to the same risks as the runners.

That's my point.

Nov 12, 2012	NFL	Chest Rib Separation	Roethlisberger separated his throwing shoulder and dislocated a rib vs. Kansas City.
Nov 12, 2012	NFL	Shoulder S/C Joint Separation	Big Ben dislocated a joint in his shoulder against the Chiefs, causing him to miss the next three weeks.
Aug 4, 2012	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Ben sprained an ankle when an offensive lineman stepped on him.
Aug 20, 2009	NFL	Pedal Achilles Pull Grade 1	Big Ben suffered a pulled achilles against the Bengals in the preseason and missed Week 1 as a result.
Sep 27, 2015	NFL	Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2	Roethlisberger took a sack at an awkward angle and had to be carted off the field.
Nov 29, 2015	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Roethlisberger was concussed late in the 4th quarter. He suited up the following week.
Oct 16, 2016	NFL	Knee Meniscus Tear	Big Ben missed just 1 game following surgery.
Nov 28, 2010	NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	What was first thought of as a sprain turned out to be a foot fracture for Big Ben. He played the following week and didn't miss any game time.
Dec 5, 2010	NFL	Head Nose Fracture	Big Ben didn't miss a snap despite his injury.
Oct 2, 2011	NFL	Pedal Foot Sprain	In Week 4 against the Texans, Roethlisberger suffered a foot sprain but played through it.
Dec 8, 2011	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Roethlisberger sprained his left ankle around halftime against the Browns in Week 14 but returned for the second half.
Nov 13, 2011	NFL	Hand Thumb Fracture	Roethlisberger didn't miss a snap in Week 10 action vs. the Bengals.
Sep 29, 2013	NFL	Hand Finger Dislocation	In Week 4, Big Ben dislocated his right index finger but continued playing.
Nov 8, 2015	NFL	Pedal Foot Sprain	Big Ben sprained his left foot but returned to play the following week.
Jan 9, 2016	NFL	Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain	Roethlisberger had an AC sprain with torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder, yet he missed 0 games.
Nov 22, 2009	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Roethlisberger missed 1 game with his concussion.
Oct 22, 2006	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Ben took a nasty helmet to helmet hit from Chauncey Davis.
Dec 9, 2018	NFL	Chest Rib Fracture	Roethlisberger didn't miss any games, despite dealing with cracked ribs.
Sep 15, 2019	NFL	Arm Elbow Tear	Roethlisberger suffered an elbow injury in Week Two against the Seattle Seahawks. He had surgery and he is expected back for the 2020 season
Nov 8, 2020	NFL	Knee Strain Grade 1	Roethlisberger injured both of his knees in Week 9's win over the Cowboys. He was active for Week 10 against the Bengals
Sep 19, 2021	NFL	Chest Pectoral Strain Grade 2	Roethlisberger suffered a left pectoral injury in the Week 2 loss to the Raiders.
Oct 3, 2021	NFL	Inguinal Hip Strain	Roethlisberger picked up a hip injury during the Steelers' Week 4 loss to the Packers. He played through it in the next game.

 

[nefansince75]

That's my point.

Nov 12, 2012	NFL	Chest Rib Separation	Roethlisberger separated his throwing shoulder and dislocated a rib vs. Kansas City.
Nov 12, 2012	NFL	Shoulder S/C Joint Separation	Big Ben dislocated a joint in his shoulder against the Chiefs, causing him to miss the next three weeks.
Aug 4, 2012	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Ben sprained an ankle when an offensive lineman stepped on him.
Aug 20, 2009	NFL	Pedal Achilles Pull Grade 1	Big Ben suffered a pulled achilles against the Bengals in the preseason and missed Week 1 as a result.
Sep 27, 2015	NFL	Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2	Roethlisberger took a sack at an awkward angle and had to be carted off the field.
Nov 29, 2015	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Roethlisberger was concussed late in the 4th quarter. He suited up the following week.
Oct 16, 2016	NFL	Knee Meniscus Tear	Big Ben missed just 1 game following surgery.
Nov 28, 2010	NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	What was first thought of as a sprain turned out to be a foot fracture for Big Ben. He played the following week and didn't miss any game time.
Dec 5, 2010	NFL	Head Nose Fracture	Big Ben didn't miss a snap despite his injury.
Oct 2, 2011	NFL	Pedal Foot Sprain	In Week 4 against the Texans, Roethlisberger suffered a foot sprain but played through it.
Dec 8, 2011	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Roethlisberger sprained his left ankle around halftime against the Browns in Week 14 but returned for the second half.
Nov 13, 2011	NFL	Hand Thumb Fracture	Roethlisberger didn't miss a snap in Week 10 action vs. the Bengals.
Sep 29, 2013	NFL	Hand Finger Dislocation	In Week 4, Big Ben dislocated his right index finger but continued playing.
Nov 8, 2015	NFL	Pedal Foot Sprain	Big Ben sprained his left foot but returned to play the following week.
Jan 9, 2016	NFL	Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain	Roethlisberger had an AC sprain with torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder, yet he missed 0 games.
Nov 22, 2009	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Roethlisberger missed 1 game with his concussion.
Oct 22, 2006	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Ben took a nasty helmet to helmet hit from Chauncey Davis.
Dec 9, 2018	NFL	Chest Rib Fracture	Roethlisberger didn't miss any games, despite dealing with cracked ribs.
Sep 15, 2019	NFL	Arm Elbow Tear	Roethlisberger suffered an elbow injury in Week Two against the Seattle Seahawks. He had surgery and he is expected back for the 2020 season
Nov 8, 2020	NFL	Knee Strain Grade 1	Roethlisberger injured both of his knees in Week 9's win over the Cowboys. He was active for Week 10 against the Bengals
Sep 19, 2021	NFL	Chest Pectoral Strain Grade 2	Roethlisberger suffered a left pectoral injury in the Week 2 loss to the Raiders.
Oct 3, 2021	NFL	Inguinal Hip Strain	Roethlisberger picked up a hip injury during the Steelers' Week 4 loss to the Packers. He played through it in the next game.

And my point he has two rings isn't valid?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

And my point he has two rings isn't valid?

He may have had more if he wasn't so often injured.
He's no good to the team if he's playing injured or not even in the game.

 

[cheerupcharlie]

That's my point.

Nov 12, 2012	NFL	Chest Rib Separation	Roethlisberger separated his throwing shoulder and dislocated a rib vs. Kansas City.
Nov 12, 2012	NFL	Shoulder S/C Joint Separation	Big Ben dislocated a joint in his shoulder against the Chiefs, causing him to miss the next three weeks.
Aug 4, 2012	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Ben sprained an ankle when an offensive lineman stepped on him.
Aug 20, 2009	NFL	Pedal Achilles Pull Grade 1	Big Ben suffered a pulled achilles against the Bengals in the preseason and missed Week 1 as a result.
Sep 27, 2015	NFL	Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2	Roethlisberger took a sack at an awkward angle and had to be carted off the field.
Nov 29, 2015	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Roethlisberger was concussed late in the 4th quarter. He suited up the following week.
Oct 16, 2016	NFL	Knee Meniscus Tear	Big Ben missed just 1 game following surgery.
Nov 28, 2010	NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	What was first thought of as a sprain turned out to be a foot fracture for Big Ben. He played the following week and didn't miss any game time.
Dec 5, 2010	NFL	Head Nose Fracture	Big Ben didn't miss a snap despite his injury.
Oct 2, 2011	NFL	Pedal Foot Sprain	In Week 4 against the Texans, Roethlisberger suffered a foot sprain but played through it.
Dec 8, 2011	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Roethlisberger sprained his left ankle around halftime against the Browns in Week 14 but returned for the second half.
Nov 13, 2011	NFL	Hand Thumb Fracture	Roethlisberger didn't miss a snap in Week 10 action vs. the Bengals.
Sep 29, 2013	NFL	Hand Finger Dislocation	In Week 4, Big Ben dislocated his right index finger but continued playing.
Nov 8, 2015	NFL	Pedal Foot Sprain	Big Ben sprained his left foot but returned to play the following week.
Jan 9, 2016	NFL	Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain	Roethlisberger had an AC sprain with torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder, yet he missed 0 games.
Nov 22, 2009	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Roethlisberger missed 1 game with his concussion.
Oct 22, 2006	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Ben took a nasty helmet to helmet hit from Chauncey Davis.
Dec 9, 2018	NFL	Chest Rib Fracture	Roethlisberger didn't miss any games, despite dealing with cracked ribs.
Sep 15, 2019	NFL	Arm Elbow Tear	Roethlisberger suffered an elbow injury in Week Two against the Seattle Seahawks. He had surgery and he is expected back for the 2020 season
Nov 8, 2020	NFL	Knee Strain Grade 1	Roethlisberger injured both of his knees in Week 9's win over the Cowboys. He was active for Week 10 against the Bengals
Sep 19, 2021	NFL	Chest Pectoral Strain Grade 2	Roethlisberger suffered a left pectoral injury in the Week 2 loss to the Raiders.
Oct 3, 2021	NFL	Inguinal Hip Strain	Roethlisberger picked up a hip injury during the Steelers' Week 4 loss to the Packers. He played through it in the next game.

Did he ever hurt his r*ping arm?

 

[BigKen]

Bills are ripe for another loss. They had a hard time with the Lions.

If the defense can hit Allen a couple of times in tye pocket and shut off his immediate escape, he will make mistakes this year. They are in panic mode because another loss could shut them out of the playoffs if that loss is in the division. Patriots have more in their favor to get a win. The payoff could be much greater if the Bills lose to them and possibly to the Dolphins. The AFCE could giveth and take away in the same week.

Patriots 23
Bills 22

 

[YankeeRebel]

After watching the Pats Vikes game I feel a little more confident with our offense and less confident with our defense. I won't say it was a bad game for the defense just an off game. Patricia at the helm of play calling in the RZ still scares the shit out of me. I feel more confident now then when I made my original response. We have to contain Allen, somehow.

In a must game win I chance my original post.

Pats 27
Bills 23

 

[cheerupcharlie]

We can't handle QB's that can run. Allen can run. This one gets ugly early.

Buffalo 38
Patriots 16

 

[YankeeRebel]

We can't handle QB's that can run. Allen can run. This one gets ugly early.

Buffalo 38
Patriots 16

Wow I hope not

 

[Yankee Traveler]

After watching the Pats Vikes game I feel a little more confident with our offense and less confident with our defense. I won't say it was a bad game for the defense just an off game. Patricia at the helm of play calling in the RZ still scares the shit out of me. I feel more confident now then when I made my original response. We have to contain Allen, somehow.

In a must game win I chance my original post.

Pats 27
Bills 23

A couple of stats;

Mac Jones has the highest Red Zone Completion Percentage in the NFL at 71.4%.

And...

The Patriots have the second worst Red Zone TD Scoring Percentage in the NFL.


Fat Shack calls a run play right up the middle when the whole world knows it's going to be a run play right up the middle, followed by pass plays when everyone knows he is now going to call a pass play.

 

[YankeeRebel]

A couple of stats;

Mac Jones has the highest Red Zone Completion Percentage in the NFL at 71.4%.

And...

The Patriots have the second worst Red Zone TD Scoring Percentage in the NFL.


Fat Shack calls a run play right up the middle when the whole world knows it's going to be a run play right up the middle, followed by pass plays when everyone knows he is now going to call a pass play.

Exactly he is not mixing shit up. I saw what I would call a stretch draw play and honestly said to myself WTF was that. Maybe they need to let Mac audible in the RZ???

 

[BigKen]

The Patriots are so strictly scripted inside the 20 that everyone including six year olds know is going to happen.

My mind says that they will have an even mix of running plays and pass plays from the opposite 25 to the 20. Never, ever do they even try play action. It's almost as if they believe the defense is too close. With Brady, they had flash dashes two steps up and across from both sides. That's why Edelman was so successful getting the ball to the one or two yard line. Two reasons not to do it, WRs are not quick enough to do the two step or Mac can't react fast enough at a high speed. What I think it is, is that Matty is calling "safe" plays for Mac and the WRs, "HOPING" that they will work.

Just my opinion.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Two reasons not to do it, WRs are not quick enough to do the two step or Mac can't react fast enough at a high speed.

Cannot react fast enough and still throw the ball accurately is my gut feeling.

Maybe that will come with more game time.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

We can't handle QB's that can run. Allen can run. This one gets ugly early.

Buffalo 38
Patriots 16

I wish you were wrong but I think you are correct. I can see us giving up 3rd and longs to Allen's legs all night. Great on 1st and 2nd down and then give up the 3rd and long.

I'd love to be wrong.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Cannot react fast enough and still throw the ball accurately is my gut feeling.

Maybe that will come with more game time.

I think a part of the issue this year is poor O Line play. I tend to count from snap to toss what the release is. Last year Mac was releasing @2.5 to 3 seconds that is average for short type passing plays. This year he is consistently under pressure @ 2.5 seconds that is bound to affect a lot of things. 1. Ability for play to develop, 2. Confidence, 3. Ability to go through reads etc