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Man it's going to be weird seeing Andrus in another uniform. He's had a very solid career. 9th all-time among Rangers position players in bWAR.
 

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He's grinded out a productive career.....didn't see that coming......


I thought he could be an elite closer-thought he had a great chance to be Mo's successor. But Cashman couldn't resist Lance Berkman.

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Melancon sucked in his lone year in Boston, but at least we got Holt out of it.
 

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Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that Justin Turner's deal with the Dodgers is for two years and $34 million with a club option for a third season.​

The deal includes an $8 million signing bonus. If the option for the third season is exercised, it would run the total of the contract to $48 million. Turner also has the potential to earn an additional $4 million in incentives that are tied to MVP voting. It had always been expected that the 36-year-old would wind up re-signing with the Dodgers and now it's official. It's quite the juggernaut that they're putting together in an attempt to defend their World Series Championship.
 

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Chad Dey of Sportsnet 650 reports that the Mariners have agreed to a contract with free agent left-hander James Paxton.​

Jeff Passan of ESPN adds that it's a one-year pact for $8.5 million. There are also incentives in the deal that could push the contract north of $10 million. Dey notes that the Blue Jays had maintained regular contact with Paxton, but never made an official offer. The 32-year-old southpaw was a fourth round pick of the Mariners in 2010 and pitched six seasons in the big leagues with the M's from 2013-2018 before departing for the Yankees. He adds another legitimate arm to the front of the Mariners' rotation, which will certainly be needed as the team plans to employ a six-man rotation and limit each of their starters to 170 innings or fewer on the season.
 

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Angels should have been all over that. Instead they trade for Cobb.
 

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Solid signing for the Mets, high upside for a 4/5 guy in the rotation. Also gives some flexibility with Luchessi now going to the bullpen.

 

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Solid signing for the Mets, high upside for a 4/5 guy in the rotation. Also gives some flexibility with Luchessi now going to the bullpen.

This potentially looks like one of the best deals of the offseason. As long as he is healthy, he’s really good. Hard to believe he’s only 28 still. Seems like he’s been around forever.
 

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This potentially looks like one of the best deals of the offseason. As long as he is healthy, he’s really good. Hard to believe he’s only 28 still. Seems like he’s been around forever.

Peripherals tell a little bit of a different story. He had an aberrant .243 BABIP in 2020 while he pitched to that 2.70 ERA. His FIP was actually 4.56.

I'm just saying.....there's a reason he didn't get signed until camps already opened.
 

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Peripherals tell a little bit of a different story. He had an aberrant .243 BABIP in 2020 while he pitched to that 2.70 ERA. His FIP was actually 4.56.

I'm just saying.....there's a reason he didn't get signed until camps already opened.
Huh. Didn’t realize that part. His career ERA of 3.84 is definitely solid, though, and he should be right in his prime. It’s not big money. It seems like a decent risk. I don’t see how he’s more of a risk than a Kluber, Garrett Richards or Paxton at similar money?? I think the Mets did well here.
 

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Huh. Didn’t realize that part. His career ERA of 3.84 is definitely solid, though, and he should be right in his prime. It’s not big money. It seems like a decent risk. I don’t see how he’s more of a risk than a Kluber, Garrett Richards or Paxton at similar money?? I think the Mets did well here.

Outside of the shaky peripherals, he averaged 4 2/3 IP per start last year, only a hair over 5 IP for his career.

They can hit a little bit in the NL East.

Time will tell.
 

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Not sure 2 years with an option was a great deal for the Mets, but he is a solid #4/5 pitcher. The problem is that most 4/5 starters came in this year a lot cheaper than that.
They probably could have gotten Odorizzi for the same sort of deal and he's a better pitcher.
 

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Outside of the shaky peripherals, he averaged 4 2/3 IP per start last year, only a hair over 5 IP for his career.

They can hit a little bit in the NL East.

Time will tell.
Sounds like you are a little more skeptical than I am. I definitely get it. I just thought the comps I provided were pretty good. How would you rank Kluber, Richards, Paxton and Walker in terms of expected success in 2021?
 

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Sounds like you are a little more skeptical than I am. I definitely get it. I just thought the comps I provided were pretty good. How would you rank Kluber, Richards, Paxton and Walker in terms of expected success in 2021?

Re: Kluber-I have zero idea what to expect from a guy who's logged a grand total of 36 innings over the last 2 years. I know I sure as shit wouldn't have given him 11 million dollars.

Richards is a similar story-too much unknown for that kind of scratch. He hasn't made more than 16 starts in a season in 6 years.

Paxton I think was only $8M? He can be dominant if he's healthy, but he's never healthy.
 

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Not sure 2 years with an option was a great deal for the Mets, but he is a solid #4/5 pitcher. The problem is that most 4/5 starters came in this year a lot cheaper than that.
They probably could have gotten Odorizzi for the same sort of deal and he's a better pitcher.
Odorizzi had the one great year in 2019, but he was just awful in 2020. I know we can dismiss some of these bad 2020 stats due to the bizarre nature of the season, but it seems like he only shows up every other year. Fortunately, this would be his “good” year, but that 2020 campaign definitely is costing him some money right now.
 

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Re: Kluber-I have zero idea what to expect from a guy who's logged a grand total of 36 innings over the last 2 years. I know I sure as shit wouldn't have given him 11 million dollars.

Richards is a similar story-too much unknown for that kind of scratch. He hasn't made more than 16 starts in a season in 6 years.

Paxton I think was only $8M? He can be dominant if he's healthy, but he's never healthy.
Sounds like you would rank Walker at the top for those 4 guys? I think I would, too.
 

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Odorizzi had the one great year in 2019, but he was just awful in 2020. I know we can dismiss some of these bad 2020 stats due to the bizarre nature of the season, but it seems like he only shows up every other year. Fortunately, this would be his “good” year, but that 2020 campaign definitely is costing him some money right now.
Odorizzi was hit in the chest by a line drive in his 4th start and missed the rest of the season. A couple of bad outings do not make a bad season.
He has been up and down in his career, but would be a decent #4 starter for nearly any team.
 
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