Down on the Farm (2019)

[SFGRTB]

Fair enough, but those were all 10 years ago or more. The Giants have not done a good job in developing players, nor in promoting those that at least seem to have some promise. I agree that it appears that FZ will be more aggressive. One can only hope. One can also hope that the development gets a kick in the pants. Whatever has been happening in that department has not worked.

I agree the Giants have done a poor job of developing guys the last handful of years, but as Cal pointed out not many guys really showed enough to get aggressively promoted.

 

[Stokes1931]

I agree the Giants have done a poor job of developing guys the last handful of years, but as Cal pointed out not many guys really showed enough to get aggressively promoted.

While I agree, I did this before.

Player A

353 minor league games

1313 AB

57 HR (1 HR every 23 AB)

.276/.371/.471

K rate 29%

Walk rate 15%

OF fielding % = .889

Player B

540 minor league games

2014 AB

97 HR (1 HR every 21 AB)

.282/.360/.491

K rate 25%

Walk rate 11%

OF fielding % = .982

Stats don't mean everything, but they mean something. Who would you pick?

 

[LHG]

I agree the Giants have done a poor job of developing guys the last handful of years, but as Cal pointed out not many guys really showed enough to get aggressively promoted.

I think that the problem has been not so much that they didn't have many guys to promote (which is still a problem, but not the one I think Stokes was trying to address), the problem has been that the few guys that did show they were ready to move up got sat on. Mac is actually a good example of that (and not to the major league level). The year after he showed a good season in the Cal League, they started him back in San Jose for some lame reason about weather (I think). That season was lost because of the arm injury that necessitated TJ surgery but it didn't make a whole lot of sense to keep him back for a month plus (he was injured in early May). And it wasn't like he had some big set of prospects in his way in Richmond either.

 

[LHG]

While I agree, I did this before.

Player A

353 minor league games

1313 AB

57 HR (1 HR every 23 AB)

.276/.371/.471

K rate 29%

Walk rate 15%

OF fielding % = .889

Player B

540 minor league games

2014 AB

97 HR (1 HR every 21 AB)

.282/.360/.491

K rate 25%

Walk rate 11%

OF fielding % = .982

Stats don't mean everything, but they mean something. Who would you pick?

I'd probably lean toward player B. His numbers may be worse in some areas but his general production is better. That being said, I'd want to know what the trajectory is between the two? Which started better in his career? Is one on the decline? Was one younger than his league? Older? What were those numbers versus league average?

 

[SFGRTB]

While I agree, I did this before.

Player A

353 minor league games

1313 AB

57 HR (1 HR every 23 AB)

.276/.371/.471

K rate 29%

Walk rate 15%

OF fielding % = .889

Player B

540 minor league games

2014 AB

97 HR (1 HR every 21 AB)

.282/.360/.491

K rate 25%

Walk rate 11%

OF fielding % = .982

Stats don't mean everything, but they mean something. Who would you pick?

I'd pick Aaron Judge

 

[Stokes1931]

I'd pick Aaron Judge

Ding Ding Ding! You win!

Player B, naturally, is Mac Williamson.

The numbers mostly favor Mac, but we know how this has turned out.

Still, the Yanks promoted Judge pretty aggressively. And nothing about his numbers stands out as superstar.

 

[calsnowskier]

While I agree, I did this before.

Player A

353 minor league games

1313 AB

57 HR (1 HR every 23 AB)

.276/.371/.471

K rate 29%

Walk rate 15%

OF fielding % = .889

Player B

540 minor league games

2014 AB

97 HR (1 HR every 21 AB)

.282/.360/.491

K rate 25%

Walk rate 11%

OF fielding % = .982

Stats don't mean everything, but they mean something. Who would you pick?

No offense, but I HATE these blind comparisons. They are total cherry picks.

Age? Level? Pedigree? Scouting reports? Personality traits? Splits? Fielding eye test? Batting eye test? League tendencies? Etc, etc, etc.

Oh yeah, one more thing... minor league stats mean next to nothing. We use them because we are all 98z ignorant and have nothing else to go on. But batting cage performance, fielding drills, video study etc all mean more, and we don’t see any of that.

 

[SFGRTB]

No offense, but I HATE these blind comparisons. They are total cherry picks.

Age? Level? Pedigree? Scouting reports? Personality traits? Splits? Fielding eye test? Batting eye test? League tendencies? Etc, etc, etc.

Oh yeah, one more thing... minor league stats mean next to nothing. We use them because we are all 98z ignorant and have nothing else to go on. But batting cage performance, fielding drills, video study etc all mean more, and we don’t see any of that.

We just don't know the full story, which is why I trust publicized top prospect lists quite a bit, because they (the good, reputable ones like Fangraphs and Baseball America) have access to all of the things you listed, plus trackman and statcast data. There's just no way the masses could have any idea.

 

[Stokes1931]

No offense, but I HATE these blind comparisons. They are total cherry picks.

Age? Level? Pedigree? Scouting reports? Personality traits? Splits? Fielding eye test? Batting eye test? League tendencies? Etc, etc, etc.

Oh yeah, one more thing... minor league stats mean next to nothing. We use them because we are all 98z ignorant and have nothing else to go on. But batting cage performance, fielding drills, video study etc all mean more, and we don’t see any of that.

As I said, stats mean something, but not everything. And no offense taken. In fact, that's the Giants main problem this year, no offense.

BTW, Mac is about 1.75 years older than Judge. Judge was drafted in the 1st round in 2013, Mac in the 3rd round in 2012.

 

[tzill]

While I agree, I did this before.

Player A

353 minor league games

1313 AB

57 HR (1 HR every 23 AB)

.276/.371/.471

K rate 29%

Walk rate 15%

OF fielding % = .889

Player B

540 minor league games

2014 AB

97 HR (1 HR every 21 AB)

.282/.360/.491

K rate 25%

Walk rate 11%

OF fielding % = .982

Stats don't mean everything, but they mean something. Who would you pick?

Honestly, in a vaccuum, I'd take player A. I know you're setting this up for Player B, but I'd assume A is younger and has more upside.

 

[Stokes1931]

Honestly, in a vaccuum, I'd take player A. I know you're setting this up for Player B, but I'd assume A is younger and has more upside.

And why would you assume that? Just curious.

 

[SFGRTB]

Crushed.... 2nd homer in as many games:

 

[calsnowskier]

Crushed.... 2nd homer in as many games:

Dude can clearly hit, and he looks like he may become a fast-mover.

But he looks tiny. He doesn’t have a bashes body...

 

[SFGRTB]

Dude can clearly hit, and he looks like he may become a fast-mover.

But he looks tiny. He doesn’t have a bashes body...

He's 17 and 6'2"

The fact that he's showing this power now is even more tantalizing

 

[tzill]

And why would you assume that? Just curious.

Mostly ABs...player B kind of “is what he is” whereas player A may have upside.

 

[tzill]

Crushed.... 2nd homer in as many games:

What most strikes me here is that there are more players in the stadium than spectators. I’ve been to Sloan Park, but never when it’s empty. Weird.

 

[LHG]

What most strikes me here is that there are more players in the stadium than spectators. I’ve been to Sloan Park, but never when it’s empty. Weird.

I read, somewhere, a brief statement that the AZL is the worst professional league when it comes to fan experience (I don't know how it compares to the GCL).

 

[Stokes1931]

Some good stuff on prospects from Kevin Cunningham (BruteSentiment) at MCC

The SF Giants Prospect Roundup: The Wait for Luciano Has Ended

 

[Stokes1931]

Canario went 2-6 with 4 RBI's and 2 homers (3, 4) for the AZL Giants Orange today. He's hitting .400

 

[SFGRTB]

Canario went 2-6 with 4 RBI's and 2 homers (3, 4) for the AZL Giants Orange today. He's hitting .400

Luciano likely won't go anywhere, but Canario is someone I could see moving up to Salem before the season is out.